3mo ago

Trump Administration Sends More Migrants to El Salvador Despite Ongoing Legal Fight Over Deportations: Sunday's flight comes despite a judge temporarily blocking the deportations

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Trump Administration Sends More Migrants to El Salvador Despite Ongoing Legal Fight Over Deportations

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While Trump pretends he can't ask for anyone he's sent to come back. They're disappearing people into a black site.
- eventually they'll runeout of ability to cram people into these concentration camps and they'll have to figure out how to make room. they'll give it some seemingly innocuous phrase, like "the alien question" as they seek some sort of solution. a final one.
  
  Party time! It’ll be a gas!
- He can ask for them back, but El Salvador doesn't have to listen. It's like when you sell a car, once the title is signed over and you get the money the deal is done. You can always say "that was a mistake, can I have the car back" but the other party can just ignore you.
  And yes, it sickens me to be writing about humans like property you can just "transfer the title" for. But it must not have the same effect on Trump, Musk, or Rubio.
  
  He made the deal with Bukele, if he can't get them back that's because it's how he wanted it.
  
  It’s like when you sell a car, once the title is signed over and you get the money the deal is done.
  No, if you want a car to be your analogy, it's more like a rental. The US is actively paying El Salvador to detain them. They can end that deal whenever they want.
  
  You are right, but in this case the car they just received comes with upkeep costs and no particular benefits. If the US does the effort for getting them back, El Salvador has no real reason to keep them.
  
  Except there are actually laws in place that let you do exactly that for a car purchase (in non-shithole places)
  
  He can ask for them back, but El Salvador doesn’t have to listen.
  They do if they know what's good for them.
  But more to the point, alli the headlines, saying "can't get them back" are misrepresenting the situation. Trump isn't saying that he can't get them back, he's saying the judges can't make him get them back.
Pretty interesting to see live how quickly a democracy can turn into an autocracy
- All it took was willingly electing an obvious autocratic wannabe dictator, who would have known?
  
  Eh, it also took 3 other branches being complicit and not doing their job.
- Interesting is not the word I would go for.
- It'd be nice if there would be a simple book being written on the things that happen in the years before a democracy flips. Might be helpful as a warning.
  
  You know it will be used as a guide instead, right?
  
  There are countless.
Maybe the judge can't stop Trump, but they can arrest every person on those flights. People will stop lining up when it means their freedom.
- Well, the judge can order the arrest of those people. We shall soon find out whether law enforcement will actual follow those orders...
  
  Hopefully the judge does order their arrests. Aren't those people technically following illegal orders anyway?
  
  IIRC the judge can order the arrests and also deputize people to carry them out.
- And arrest every person above them letting this happen. All the way up through all levels of supervisors, managers, etc. They have control over their employees. Hell, even arrest the ATCs giving them flight access and the customs agents letting the crew back in. Everyone that is remotely tangential deserves to be tried and arrested.
The Nazi regime chose to build most of their concentration camps in nearby compliant/dominated countries as well.
- and each new camp they set up was more brutal and inhumane than any they'd built before. always built away from major population centers, but always close enough to an active front to quickly ship people to them
These judges can arrest everyone else, if they don't then they are feckless and complicit in democracy dieing
It turns out paper doesn't stop fascism. Who knew?
Consequences for defying the courts??? No? Ok
So that means they will imprison everyone involved in this because they went against a judge order right?
So how are these orders being enforced?

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