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“Elites use different words, eat different foods, listen to different music – I was astonished when I learned that people listened to classical music for pleasure – and generally occupy different worlds from America’s poor,” he said. “Unfortunately, this can make things a little culturally awkward when you leap from one class to the other.”
To be fair, I look at classical music listeners the same way I do craft beer drinkers, namely that I suspect they're doing it more because they like the idea than the actual reality.
I’m as likely to spin Verdi as I am Dr. Dre.
One of my friends is a d’n’b dj at night… and a professional flautist during the day. They’re also a member of an orchestra.
Eclectic listeners exist everywhere. Having said that I also know people who only listen to grime and find trap unattractive… go figure.
as some one who regularly listens to classical music....
that's a stupid take. most of us who do, enjoy classical music. just because you don't doesn't mean there isn't a reason other than "We like the idea of it". I could say the same about whatever genres you listen to, and be just as wrong.
But he was being "fair", lol
Agreed though, ridiculously stupid take.
Rachmaninov fucking slaps, and IPAs are delicious. Not everybody has the same shitty taste as you.
I love Chad Lawsons album “Breathe” but haven’t told a single soul IRL. Will listen in my car during long commutes.
His description on irreplaceable, fields of forever and letting go really hit hard during the listen.
So if the idea is people only want status from listening or social drivers to land the act. Then I’m an outlier. Haha. Because I’m so self conscious of the projection of “the type” that listens to it I avoid being seen or known as a listener. If stopped at a light or pulling into a lot will turn it all the way down lol
If I like a song by the Spice Girls I’m telling everyone.
I do. It’s 2 Become 1. It’s cheesy as hell and I’ve been listening to it since I was 10 years old. Check it out. You’ll probably hate it. I don’t.
Haha - I need to take a page out of your book.
I just project as a curious intellectual with things and then also enjoy certain classical music or styles in music that capture classical sounds, but feel like my entire appeal or ability to be convincing is meeting people where they are at and then engaging the more theoretical sides from them, once they realize I’m respectful and trusting and not condescending.
I worry that if I pull into work listening to a concerto that I will no longer have the ability for folks to trust that I really can meet them where they are. lol. And I do educate train and onboard / facilitate comprehensive learnings for larger groups in my health care role. So it’s clearly a passion to be effective with that.
Too much anxiety about something that probably doesnt matter clearly per my down votes. Haha. Feel like there is a stigma in sort of being education providing - and condescending. And it becomes harder to dodge that as the first post indicates if say, the first impression is me listening to classical music whilst drinking an IPA haha. My ability to tease out a theoretical thought exercise conversation in a trusting environment might diminish up front (is the fear) and then I won’t effectively engage in my favorite types of discussions.
I get where you’re coming from. I’m an isolated nobody from nowhere with no interest in anything but riding out my time on this rock haha.
If I had as much to think about, I’d be more conscious of those things as well. You have to be.
Thank goodness I don’t. Sometimes I get depressed when I think about who I am and how nihilism and lack of opportunity has made it impossible for me to participate in humanity (hillbilly from the middle of nowhere, 2nd poorest place in America). I’m glad I don’t have that kind of anxiety though. I’m not built for it.
Or maybe I was. I’ll never know.
We should always talk first and roll our eyes later, huh?
The fact that you immediately went to IPAs... Ugh.
Why do people act as if taste isn't literally subjective?
I’m not gonna hate on anyone. I drink pickle juice by the glass. And I do love a cold glass of peperoncini juice….
I once ran across a Berliner Weisse at a brewer’s festival that made excellent use of pickle juice. I had to try it out of curiosity, and while it was too much on the palate to drink many more than one, had a lived in the area I would have had one every evening. I wish I remembered the brewery so I could recommend it.
This is how I always understood Berliner Weisse: it's more a basis for a drink than a beer in its own right.
But I think most Berliner Weisse are already sold with some taste added.
It’s certainly a beer in its own right, but that’s simply a matter of definition and production. I know it has a history of being served mixed, but I’ve certainly come across it served on its own a non-trivial number of times.
And I respect your right to give yourself heartburn ❤️
That was kind of my point but apparently IPAs are a protected species.
You were mocking him for liking IPAs. My point was that it makes no sense to insult what other people like because that's shitty and taste is subjective. That's something people do when they want to be mean for no reason.
Being mean for no reason isn't cool past gradeschool.
You mean the guy who said
Not everybody has the same shitty taste as you.
Yeah I kind of thought that deserved mockery.
Yeah I'm not worried about being a jerk to a jerk.
Believe it or not, strong flavors are popular, IPAs are fucking great.
Now pickles, those a fucking garbage no human would willingly eat. Nobody actually likes that shit, people just pretend to so they seem cool.
Not me eating pickles straight out of the jar atm
I'm with you brother, my wife makes fun of how many pickles I eat. They are a staple in my refrigerator.
My wife burns through the pickles here. And get this. She eats them with little cubes of sharp cheddar. Makes my stomach turn just seeing the bowl.
You sound like my classic rock obsessed father. He simply couldn't understand why I liked electronic music back in the 90s and never "got" it. Called it "fake-ass computer shit". 30 years later I'm still cranking the volume up when I hear Trance/DnB/Dubstep. His opinion mattered very, very little to me.
Believe it or not, there are people who like different things than you. And that's okay.
I can't imagine being proud of limiting your experiences to the blandest shit imaginable because you're literally incapable of understanding that taste is subjective.
So tell me, what're your favourite Top-40s butt rock bands and corn-based mass produced light beers?
It's always interesting seeing the assumptions people make when I disagree with them.
In your case, because I don't like the things you like, you've thought of the worst music imaginable, and decided that must be what I listen to.
Fascinating.
I enjoy the stuff. Well actually both of those things. They're complex and interesting for when you want something like that.
Well actually not even always. A rhinegeist beer for humans is just a good ale at a good price, no challenge at all.
I bet you think I only like the idea of bourbon too
Classical music is like any music, some of it is uplifting and beautiful and some doesnt do it for me, maybe you should try it though and see for yourself
I have, my mother used to listen to classical music all the time.
Incredibly dull and uneventful.
not a classical guy, i love death grips, machine girl , post punk and thrash. but i would never say classical is 'dull'. isnt there one that uses fucking cannons??
Yes Tchaikovsky - 1812 Overture (Russian lol) Here's a recording featuring actual cannons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbxgYlcNxE8 The piece celebrates the battle and subsequent Russian victory over Napoleon's invading forces in 1812. The original also had real church bells ringing to celebrate the victory.
Tchaikovsky, yeah. Honestly, he's got better stuff than that.
Iirc, Tchaikovsky wrote his 1812 Overture rather quickly to commemorate the defense of Russia against Napoleon and wasn’t too thrilled with it himself. I believe he called it noisy and without artistry, but I’m prone to collecting myths, so please do check my work.
"noisy and without artistry"
So, a perfect song for America
Is "prone to collecting myths" a turn of phrase? I've never heard it before, but it goes hard imho. Makes me wanna build a ttrpg encounter around it.
I was just looking to express my penchant for collecting pseudo-historical stories that I don’t feel compelled to check the accuracy of because they don’t purport to express anything important. Ngl though, I would play the fuck out of that encounter if you made it.
A bit of a cop out, but I've been wanting to tinker with the homebrewery, so I just made a lil 1 page NPC sheet for fun. Not quite an encounter, not even a statblock lol, but I was tinkering so I figured I'd share.
There's like six pieces of classical music I've actually enjoyed listening to, that's one of them.
I think the 1812 overture is supposed to.
Everything is uneventful if you just let it pass by without trying to understand it.
I agree but I think its weird some people are attached to old classical music composers. There is newer better stuff or even classical variants like you would hear in Bridgerton. Its painful watching kids playing those horrible scores at competitions just cause its traditional and expected.
Side note: 100% certain it was the songs cause after events I go to yt to check pros play them and it was still awful.
You can say exactly the same about any music
Yes I but i think its gatekeeping and pretentious. The elites just use old classical as their thing.
Opera was originally art for the masses. I get the thing about everyone thinking its elitest but i was brought up by 2 generations of working class people who loved opera and classical music. Worked at the Derby Playhouse, its just elitist because its in movies and stuff a lot
Oh that's interesting. didn't know that. I figured it was expensive since it "needed" and opera house so it was elitist because of pricing. Maybe it just became that way like you said.
100% there's a culture of gatekeeping and elitism all too common around classical music - but it's not the music's fault
Well I spoke to several music enthusiasts irl and we cant tell why anyone would play those ancient scores other than its technically difficult. It doesn't sound good.
Nah, we do actually like the music.
Do you really though, or do you just think you do?
Yes.
I'm going to take a wild stab and guess you listen to pop/rap? Understandable why you'd not like classical. I can't stomach any pop/rap save for a few 90s artists. Whenever I hear it its just gross and non musical to me (Deltron 3030 not included). Ive also never been into lyric focused music unless it has more than an annoying single bass note and 16th note hihats behind it. Classical is interesting for musicians, and it's proven in studies to be healthy for your mind. But yeah you don't have to like it!
More of a classic rock person, but it's always interesting to see what people assume about me.
Apparently everyone I disagree with also thinks I'm American.
imagine being confused that people do not enjoy mass produced drink made of lowest quality materials and prefer something that doesn’t taste like it has already been drank before…
also itt: people who think only IPA is craft beer. If you’re not into IPA, which is a matter of taste, you can just drink delicious craft lager and pilsner.
Depending on my mood and the style of the classical music, I can absolutely enjoy the more fast paced styles.
I have the Hooked On Classics 1-3 albums on my phone and go through periods where they are the only music I listen to for weeks.
I absolutely recommend them, classical music set to a disco beat, it's really nice from time to time.
classical music set to a disco beat,
So not really classical music then?
Is an IPA with a little pineapple juice suddenly not an IPA?
I'd consider it a new drink, with the IPA being an ingredient.
