This was from 2017.

I always like to point out how there's art of these two characters fucking by the same author
- You forgot the link
- Make love not war?

I mean, I was super curious what Sanders could've done if he had the chance. Instead, we got the opposite experiment.
If democrats in the US vote for stuff like Biden, then they're not voting for any radical change. Trump isn't comparable to that.
- If democrats in the US vote for stuff like Biden, then they’re not voting for any radical change
  I don't exactly know the details, but weren't there accusations of meddling from the DNC that stoppered Sanders' chance of securing the nomination, and a belief among some that he might have won the nomination if it had been a free and fair primary process?
  In other words, it's possible (though by no means certain) that your sentence above works if "democrats" means "the DNC and the establishment of the Democratic Party", but not if it means "people who by-and-large support the Democratic Party".
  
  The Dems did some delegate fuckery where all candidates endorsed Biden because ~~Bernie~~ Trump had to be stopped at all cost, and their delegates went to Biden even if he hadn't been voted for. Kamala contributed all of her 0 delegates and got VP for being ~~a cop~~ the first to drop out iirc.
- Americans voted for Biden because the primary system heavily favored Biden and Americans were told Biden was "more electable" than Bernie, even though every one of Bernie's policies and his messaging polled better.
  If the DNC didn't put their thumbs on the scale, Bernie would have won in 2016 (or 2020), and guaranteed a democratic victory in the next election because nobody receiving free healthcare is going to vote to go back to the current system.
  Bernie isn't radical, he's a social democrat, he just looks radical because the democrats are right of George W Bush right now.
  
  I get it and I don't disagree, but- Well, I for one wouldn't mind some radical change. Just not in the direction that it is going right now. Radical in itself is nothing bad, when the status quo is as bad as it is.
- Still nothing
  Courts wouldn’t even let Biden offer student loan relief
  
  They were only able to because of the way he went about it. He could have simply ordered the Department of Education to immediately forgive the loans and erase any record of the debt, and dared the SCOTUS to order him to create new debts (which he could simply ignore).
  
  Probably, but I'd only believe that there is really nothing to be done once I see someone actually left-leaning attempt everything in their toolbox.
  I believe Sanders would have tried to change as much as possible in the US. I also believe that he would have failed regarding a lot of things. Would have really liked to see him try though.

Democrats so afraid of being wrong they don't even try to do what's right.
- You misunderstand their incentives. They're beholden to the billionaires, not to you.
- It's just theatrics. They are as conservative as the Republicans.
  
  They do differ slightly on social issues. But that's it.
- That's not their purpose, they just need to look the part. They are comfortable in the 'my hands are tied' position. They can propose bills they know will not make it. When they have a supermajority, like they had not long ago, they are in trouble. They have no choice but to stop proposing bills and find reasons to say they are 'sabotaged'. They played this game for centuries, still works.
  
  They can propose bills they know will not make it.
  they actively work to ensure don't make it. Manchin, Sinema and others like them are greatly valued by Dems for their role as scapegoats.
  
  They in this case being libs in liberal democracies, not democrats specifically.
  One way to resolve the contradiction between the capitalist class, which the state represents, and the masses, whom the state requires to maintain power is for the masses to believe their representatives want what's best for them, but are powerless to implement it due to foreigners or nature or some other group, or are trying and it will happen some indeterminate time in the future.
- They are not afraid of being wrong. They don't actually care about your well being, they are just here to make money for their corporate friends and themselves.
- More like too much interest in rules
  
  That's the thing, the left adhere themselves to unwritten rules and current precedences. Whereas the right will break all precedent and scoff at unwritten rules and will try to change the written ones in their favour. It happens everywhere, it's not just a US thing

"You have to understand there's only so much I can do in this position"
Meanwhile, one of their former members named Huey Long: "Now I dynamite 'em out of my path"

Really though, beyond the Dems doing something legislatively, could you imagine if the party actually utilized it's network for direct action campaigns. Not that their donors or upper middle class members would be copacetic to any actual economic disruption. I mean christ, the Senate leader doesn't even want to let the Republicans shut down the government while they're busy dismantling it. Their current strategy is to appeal by saying they can bring back business as usual. Unfortunately they don't seem to understand that appearing ineffectual turns centrists off even more than appearing radical does.
- Unfortunately they don’t seem to understand that appearing ineffectual turns centrists off even more than appearing radical does.
  Does it though?
  Look at how much .world or reddit downvote and deride posts critical of Democrat behavior since the beginning on the election and the only takeaway you can get is that they're in onboard with it no matter how much they hate it simply because Republicans are worse.
  
  Look at how much .world or reddit downvote and deride posts critical of Democrat behavior since the beginning on the election
  Agreed, but why should we still presume that upvotes reflect genuine user opinion as opposed to astroturfing?
  It seems that lib-aligned groups use Reddit to manufacture approval for their clients. Given this, why should we view Reddit as a credible window into popular opinion? The entire site is an infomercial at this point
  
  Ok, but that's a select group of people who choose to spend their free time typing about politics online. If you look at the actual election results, it would appear to back up the claim you're quoting.
  
  Okay, let me spell it out, yet again, since people still apparently don't get it: making a tactical decision to avoid expressing criticism during an election is not the same thing as being perfectly happy with what the party is doing. It's harm reduction, not agreement.
  
  They're on board because the party moved to the right for them.
  
  I mean I usually post in world and not ml and I don't get generally get downvoted for these opinions by anybody but pugjesus.

Yall been taking the bait for years. Dems succeed on your fears. Why would they eliminate them?
- What a bizarrely stupid take.
  
  Yes, Democrats are bizarre and stupid so any take inspired by them is precisely that; but it needs to be said for the fools who agree w them to serve as a mirror.

ChEcKs AnD bAlAnCeS

On point
- This was from 2020
  
  First-past-the-post voting is a hostage situation and should be treated like the crisis it is. Electoral reform at the state level will give the people the freedom to vote how they want. Who could be against that?
  
  Truly a visionary

- Promise overwhelmingly popular left policy, start implementing it in the states you control, use every tool at your disposal to block republican policy. If the courts have to kill your legislation or governor's orders, make them do it, and if possible, do it in ways that can't be undone, such as forgiveness of debts.
  eg, if you have the legislature and there is a republican governor, strip all powers from the governorship until you have it again. If you're in the minority party, block everything that you wouldn't do if you had total control while telling the public it is exactly what you will do when you get power. Stop pretending the courts are apolitical, appoint judges that will help you accomplish your agenda and will block the republicans.
  Build power at the local level by responding to your constituents needs. Even if you didn't win the elections, democrats need to work with unions and local organizations, not expect loyalty while ignoring them and providing no resources.
  Under no circumstances do you agree to republican framing and suggest you need to build the wall, engage in trade wars with China, fund the police to stop a crime wave, try to be the "patriotic" party etc. You cannot outflank the republicans from the right.
  When Trump's ICE blackbags a student, we don't need Chuck Schumer out there agreeing with Trump that he is a horrible person for supporting Palestine but disagreeing with Trump's methods.