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Senior Conservative MP says UK must consider possibility ‘Trump is a Russian asset’ - Politics.co.uk

www.politics.co.uk Senior Conservative MP says UK must consider possibility ‘Trump is a Russian asset’ - Politics.co.uk

A senior Conservative MP has said it is time to consider the “possibility” that the US president is a Kremlin asset. Graham Stuart, a former Foreign Office minister, issued the comment in response to Donald Trump’s decision to pause all military aid to Ukraine. The extraordinary move comes as the U...

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Even if there was none of the evidence ("Krasnov" codenames claim, etc) the fact that at every turn he does exactly what Putin and the Russian oligarchs want and is actively harming the US and other western countries means everyone needs to treat him like he's a Russian asset. It almost doesn't even matter if he officially is or not...
- Yup. He is an asset to Russia whether or not he is a willing asset.
  
  The only question is whether he knows he's a Russian asset. Trump may be working for them without realizing it. All Putin would have to do is convince him he was just giving him advice, one wise ruler to another, because Trump is special and brilliant, and provide a few incentives. Trump would believe that taking the advice was all his own brilliant idea.
- Yeah, the Krasnov stuff is somewhat funny in a dark way, but he definitely serves Russian good over US good, whether he’s an official asset or not. If his actions are treasonous, does it matter whether he’s been recruited?
- I 100% agree, but what makes me scratch my noggin' is the fact that people in London finance have (jokingly?) nicknamed the City of London as "Londongrad" because there's so much Russian money. Makes it feel like the entire 1% is a Russian asset, which can't be right.

If they're saying this out loud, then they have been considering it for a while.
- If they're saying it out loud they're certain and they consider it expedient to make it common knowledge.
  
  I doubt it will have an effect. He's already won
- The Steele Dossier said as much and that was what, 5 or 6 years ago?
  Trump is well known to have been a Russian asset going as far back as 1987:
  —————— There are a lot of other key things not mentioned anywhere since this story keeps getting buried. Ivana's father was a known informer for Czech intelligence (see: basically a subsidiary of the KGB).
  Even moreso when you look at a brief timeline of events:
  • 1977: Trump marries Ivana; KGB file allegedly opened on Trump. • Autum 1986: Trump meets Yuri Dubinin; referred to KGB state travel agency. Source: The Art of the Deal • July 4, 1987: Trump visits Moscow and meets with Soviet leader Gorbachev. Trip paid for and organized by KGB travel agency. Stays in hotel physically connected to KGB travel agency (i.e., every part of that hotel was likely bugged). Alleged time of recruitment by KGB. Source. • July 1987: Trump registers as a Republican • September 1987: Trump's first indication of interest in the Presidency via 3 full-page ads in the NY Times, Washington Post, and Boston Globe with language such as "America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves." • December 1987: Trump and Gorbachev meet at a State Dinner at the White House • 1988: Gorbachev planned to meet Trump at Trump Tower. • February 1989: FBI Counterintelligence opens investigation into Trump and Ivana. This goes on for at least 2 years.
  Everything above, besides the "allegedly" part, is fact with direct evidence. One final, more conspiracy theory-oriented thing: Ivana died from falling down stairs the day before the Trumps were to give depositions. They said she had "declining health" in the weeks prior, except she had gone out to a restaurant the day prior. The restaurant owner stated she appeared of normal health like anyone else. There's a ton more stuff I've been putting together, but that's the easy stuff that anyone can verify in 5 minutes or less. It'd be quite nice if there was some actual investigative journalist to put this together rather than just some random guy on Reddit (see: myself). Edit: Added sources, Gorbachev's 1988 visit to Trump Tower, and Dec. 1987 meeting.
  Source was on reddit, by kaptainkeel, he posted references to all the bullet points.

This is so stupid. He is an asset, whether intentionally or not. Russian media is having a heyday with him. Whether he is an "agent" or not remains ambiguous, but he is absolutely an "asset" to them.
- A distinction without a difference?
  
  Assets don't have to have be in on it intentionally. A tank is an asset. A forest at the border can be an asset. But to be an agent takes volition and consensual involvement.

As an American who remembers 2016-2020.....
NO FUCKING SHIT, SHERLOCK
- I mean yeah, but at least the rest of the world is calling it out this time around. America fell, but they can pull together and be stronger for it.

"possibility".. as if there is any doubt
- Spam or wrong reply?

Possibility? Whether or not the fucking KGB really recruited Krasnov, the mofo is definitely a Russian asset.
- Yeah, when the Krasnov thing first got published, I said something to the effect of, "I would skeptical of explosive, unverified claims like this because they may be disinformation, and either way there's more than enough evidence that Putin has control of Trump." Then someone accused me of being a Russian asset because everyone has brain poisoning now.

You can bet the Five Eyes are already redacting what they share with the USA

Earlier this morning a coworker mentioned politicians wearing their corporate sponsors like NASCAR drivers. This was my response:

Maybe they should try looking a bit closer to home with that they were rescued from bankruptcy by Russian oligarch donations and one of their favoured sons awarded a position in the House of Lords to the billionaire son of a former KGB director!

Not really much to consider. Seems pretty obvious at the point.

The odds Trump isn't a Russian operative are far far far less than the odds that he is a Russian operative.

If he’s not a Russian asset, he’s working for them pro bono.

Like the Tories weren't a hop skip and a jump away from him before Reform split their vote.

From ‘America First’ to ‘Russia First’? Stuart’s theory raises uncomfortable questions.
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We have been saying this over and over again. He is a Nazi and he is Putin’s puppet.

Didn't anyone with a brain figure this out about a decade ago?
- I think many people figured it out in 1987 when he went to Moscow and then ran full-page newspaper ads demanding the USA turn on its allies.
  When a Young Trump Went to Russia

Doesn't anyone remember the veiled threat Putin publicly gave Trump when he took office again? It was something along the lines of Putin re-emphasizing who was truly in charge... as if he had some kind of blackmail on Trump.

I mean, the only question at this point is really whether he was one before he ran the first time or if that happened later.

What, does the UK want to go to war with the combined might of the USA and the USSR?!

Honestly, why does it matter? Why not just focus on his policy and his actions? Trump is a fascist, oppressing liberties, defunding public services, and carrying out immensely harmful policy. Why the need to attribute that to a third country? Trump is only bad if he does these things because he's a Russian asset? If he did this all because of his oligarch friends, and the desire for imperialism in the USA, and the increasingly openly right wing governments in all of the western world, it would still all be wrong.
There's no need to summon le evil people from the east to objectively analyse the evil policy of Trump, and I don't understand why you guys need a racist dogwhistle to do so when he is literally every single day walking alongside someone who did two fascist salutes in the inauguration.
- If this Russian support structure isn’t recognized and dealt with, Trump just be replaced by the next Russian stooge.
  
  Trump was democratically elected, what are your plans against that?

I’ve just noticed….what the fuck even is his signature? It begins and ends with an A…Auld BussyynnA

Breaking news, Antarctica is cold.
- For now, sure, but I know a real estate tycoon looking to make it much more temperate

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