Skip Navigation

What is your personal most hated company or corporation?

Hello everybody,

What is the company and corporation that is the object of your hate? What did/do they do to get that spot for you?

Mine is Facebook/Meta for their egregious data collection policies, psychological manipulation of its users, and more recently, them not seeding content.

Thanks in advance for your time! Have a good one!

175 comments
  • Apple. But not because of the tech. But because they popularized a very disturbing corporate trend that I feel is a direct contributor to the wealth gap and the current state of affairs vis a vis tech oligarchies.

    I touched on it in another thread, and I'll expand on it here, but in short, Apple was one of the first companies to stop defining their profit margin by real world economic factors like what the market can conceivably bear, and instead by marketing...ie. How high your profit margin can go is determined by how much your advertising can convince people to spend.

    Even back when Reagonimics first came around in the 80s, most corporations were still operating with a traditional profit margin calculation. You take the cost of your product to make (that includes labour, research and development, manufacturing, etc...) You determine your growth projection for the year, allowing you to cover all your expenses and reinvest in your company to achieve a modicum of growth and provide a rise to the share price, and you set the products selling price accordingly. (That profit margin traditionally would come to anywhere from 30-50 percent depending on the product.

    One of the factors that you look at as a company is what can the market bear? You try to ride a profit balance between what you need to make to continue growth and what your targeting customer base can afford. With the reasonable thinking being that if you over-price, then your customers will just go to the competition.

    What Apple figured out is that with enough money invested in advertising and marketing, a corporation can completely override that affordability and just keep upping their profit margin as much as they want so long as they can convince people that it's worth it. That's how you end up with a trillion dollar company that not only has the profits to grow their business, but also to start producing fucking television shows with money they found in their sofa.

    With enough advertising, affordability no longer matters. Humans will happily skip a mortgage payment, or a trip to grocery store, to contribute to your inflated profit margin if you can convince them that it's worth it.

    How they do that is a combination of traditional advertising and in-store shenanigans. STORY TIME:

    When I was working at Staples, we started off selling the ipod. We weren't allowed to sell the iPad at first, and when we were finally given permission to, it came with conditions.

    • We were to construct a separate section for them to keep them segregated from the other tablets, with very noticeable and expensive signage.
    • We are not allowed to refer to them as "tablets". Only as "iPads".
    • We were to begin every tech conversation with "Have you seen our iPads".

    Similar rules came out when we decided we wanted to sell Macbooks. Similar rules.

    .............

    Long story short, Apple figured out that if you spend more money in advertising (both traditional and non traditional like in-store display merchandising) than you do on the product itself, people will shoot themselves in the foot to give you their money, whether or not they can afford it. Whether or not they have to skip this months mortgage payment. Whether or not they have food in their fridge. . It doesn't matter how good Apple products are. What matters is from an Ethics standpoint, Apple said "fuck what the market can handle. If people are stupid enough to pay us a 300% profit margin while they're on food stamps...that's their fault. we're just doing business"

    A number of companies have now followed that lead since then, leading to the sharp sharp (disastrous) divide between the billionaire class and the rest of us

    And yes, in a lot of ways, it's just capitalism and personal responsibility. But without that traditional profit margin calculation in place; with the sky's the limit approach that Apple introduced, the class war is just going to get more and more pronounced.

    • Apple was my first thought as well. My real answer is Microsoft because their shot pisses me off on a daily basis. But Apple is certainly a contender for being the instigator of a ton of bullshit practices.

    • Thanks for this really thorough breakdown. It all really does seem to stem from the core idea that they view their clientele as idiot consumer-cattle rather than human users.

      Not only do they do that with prices, like you said, the rest of their user experience practices have had devastating ripple effects on society as well.

      I was so excited for the idea of "pocket computers", but the i-garbage phenomenon I think is what super-accelerated our current tech economy of the 6-month-cycle disposable privacy nightmares designed primarily for "content consumption."

      That of course, evolved from their "You're not allowed to touch it, you're too stupid." appliance-like ethos from the very beginning. Special screws, special dongles, special ports, special cables, control, control, control.

      Then that got paired with forcing everyone to need an "app" for everything from shopping to government assistance, and here we are, barely a generation later, and nobody has any idea how a computer works anymore.

      Nobody on either side of "Millennials" seem to understand how files and folders work, or what the Internet actually is, or how email works, and I blame Apple's smoke and mirrors for the majority of it, because after their profit margins could be whatever they wanted, like you said, nobody wanted to innovate anymore.

      They all had to be Apple.

      And since Apple's profits relied on ignorant and dependent users, everybody's profits suddenly did.

      Apple said "fuck what the market can handle. If people are stupid enough to pay us a 300% profit margin while they're on food stamps...that's their fault.

      And on this point, it reminds me when I worked at the public library. A father asked my opinion on getting a computer for his young school age daughter. Dude was on a budget, and kids break things.

      I suggested that ~$200 could get him a used ThinkPad on eBay. They can handle spills, sometimes drops, last a long time, and so forth. Incredible deal (the market has since seemed to wise up to. ☹️ )

      Dude comes back the next week asking how to set up a freaking $2000+ MacBook. Daughter's like 6 or something.

      What the heck, my dude. 95% of Apple's R&D must go into marketing and mind control.


      TL;DR:

      Anyway...yeah, It grates on me when people talk about modern computing like keyboards and mice and folder structures are "obsolete" and "only for technical people" because "everyone's on tablets and phones now" as if that's a linear progression of technology and we're just getting old.

      It's a progression of technology heavily manipulated by marketing and propaganda forced as "The Future(TM)" because friggin Apple said so, and everyone else (including Microsoft) feels like they have to follow it to stay relevant to the slobbering ignorant consumer-being customer-base Apple has bred...

      If only they cared about building better products rather than untraining decades of computer education so they could play Hungry Hungry Hippos with mind-slaves.

  • Itaú, largest private bank in Brazil. Thanks to a 1995 law, all earnings from stock shares' dividends are tax exempt. They're always lobbying and pushing forward legislation to make the rich richer, to the point that they managed to found, together with other bankers, a political party, Novo, who fiercely defend libertarian economic values and sidestep individual liberties.

    Second would be Microsoft. They took over the computer world in the 90s and didn't pay for their crimes. All they did was try and pretend nothing bad happened and that they totally wouldn't ever do anything similar again, pinkie promise. Nevermind the office2007 standard never fully working on alternative software, nevermind microsoft teams, pay no mind to them buying out github, nevermind their shit being inside pretty much every government around the world. They hold absurd amounts of power.

    Third place goes to all non state owned petrol companies. Thank you for your continuous funding of bogus research against scientific climate facts and, more importantly, in funding assholes the world over to ensure climate change and global warming go full throttle. Fuck you with a hot exhaust pipe.

  • DuPont, scourge of the Earth.

    Incredible no one said it before considering the poisioned the entire world TWO times.

  • Microsoft.

    And it's almost entirely because of excel.

    We have a program that automatically outputs an excel document every month. I then have to go into this document and unfuck all the data that excel decided to turn into dates. There is no way to format the file before the program spits out the excel doc. There is now way to reverse the change and have it go back to the original data correctly.

    I have spent countless hours on the phone with Microsoft support and digging around forums trying to make it stop breaking our data, but I have been told by multiple Microsoft support employees that it is impossible.

    I did find out that there used to be a beta version of excel back in like 2017 where you could change a setting that forced your excel to leave all day alone until told to do something with it, but they never finished it and it was eventually removed as a setting.

    WHY WOULD YOU TAKE AWAY THAT ABILITY MICROSOFT. WHY.

  • Amazon, google, meta, apple and amazon. To many reasons why to list

  • Oh, I have my favorites.

    Nestle is up in the list, as is Monsanto.

    For years I hated Microsoft with a passion for all the scummy things they did. They killed a lot of good companies and products by shady business practices rather than competing with quality software.

    Then there's Nvidia. These bastards will just not play ball with open source, so every gamer kid that somehow decides to try Linux and fails thanks to their shitty drivers end up in reddit screaming "Linux sucks". AMD and Intel are fine to open source their drivers or at least publish the specs so others may do it for them. I suspect the true reason is that there's a lot of benchmark rigging code inside Nvidia's drivers.

  • Any company Elon Musk is the owner of.

    • I was just thinking about this today. Any corporations big enough for us all to know have likely done more bad things than praiseworthy things. Patagonia is the closest I can think of to a good company we may all know.

      The things with the Musk companies that drive me crazy though, is that everything Musk is head of are things that I should be excited about: spaceflight, EVs, green energy, public transportation.

      But now thinking about any of those companies reminds me of a less funny version of when Mr Burns opens the recycling plant, but uses it to kill large numbers of sea creatures.

      He just sucks the life out of so much exciting tech. While I don't use any of his stuff, it used to feel aspirational. There's at least other viable alternatives for just about everything now, but spaceflight is a big disappointment, as that is the most "future" feeling thing to me that there is. It was so exciting to see someone accelerating space travel, but now I hate he's got his fingers on all of it. Am I supposed to root for Boeing now? Ick!

  • Comcast/Xfinity. Installed home security equipment I told them wouldn't work, then once it turned out it didn't, they charged me $1000+ for the equipment that they took back, but somehow misplaced. Two years of calls later, they finally ground me down. It's the one company I refuse to call for my elderly mother when she has trouble with them.

    BofA is a close second. Emptied out my little kid's saving account with fees (even though they said it was a free account when we opened it, so we didn't bother checking the statements). Hit us up for multiple overdraft fees, then offered to return only three months' worth of just the fees.

    They can all burn in hell.

    • Credit Unions are the way to go unless you're looking for high-yield and brokerage accounts. Sorry that happened.

      • Except that many, many, MANY credit unions have converted to banks (or at least offering exactly the same or even lower rates than banks) but don't change the name.

        I have been screwed by my credit union a dozen times. Like me trying to open a Roth IRA with them when I was in my first year of university and they opened a CD and named it "Roth IRA" and I get like 2% interest on it.

    • I hate Comcast/Xfinity with such a passion I tell myself if I had the same hatred for a person I'd be in jail for murder.

      Not only did they impose their "trial data caps" in my area and charge me out the ass for going over 2TB a month, I acceded once to being upsold and was told it was completely reversible within a month. After realizing the sales shithead lied to me about the features, I called to revert. Guess what? They couldn't. It wasn't something they could do. Fortunately I recorded all my calls, but even with that it took me more than 30 hours of phone and chat time to get it fixed, and the agent who finally helped me had to setup a recurring account credit to fix it. Absolutely horrid. She basically clarified, without saying it outright, that the sales shithead lied to my face because they're practically encouraged to.

      Long story short my home purchase decision was influenced greatly by those shitheads not being in the area, and just seeing an ad makes me want to vandalize it. It's the only thing I hate with this much passion.

175 comments