Maybe they've always been Mordor

When did 'Murica, land of the free, abandon freedom for madness?
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- Can't help but to sing along
  
  I gotta organize them to make them more singable sometime.

It was right around the time he got shot and made that fake fist pump. Also when he started considering that scum bag - obama a friend.

Murica, land of the free, was founded by people who owned slaves. While speaking about the evils of slavery.
So the madness was always there.

The US is just Helldivers 2 in real life. A democracy managed by Elon Musk and people ready to die for „liberty“, „prosperity“ and „freedom“.
- Don't make me feel bad about my beloved Helldivers!
  
  Sorry to say most people don't get it or starship troopers.
  
  Don’t feel bad. It’s not the devs fault that we live in a strange timeline

We live in a country that was stolen then we stole some other people so they could do the work for us. Then conquering half a continent wasn’t good enough for us, so we went around ruining other places if they didn’t want to give us all their stuff. If people think we only recently crossed a line, I’d generously hope they were just ignorant because the alternative is horrific. Every piece of the past is a step that got us to where we are.

I’m starting to think the same thing, if you go over US foreign policy since WW2 it is almost like the mask is just coming off entirely now.
- America did a lot of bad stuff, to put it mildly. This is definitely something else though.
  
  I agree, that’s what I mean by it just going mask off, there’s no pretending about a probable cause of higher moral path etc this time.
- What? You're welcome for all that world peace and prosperity since ww2. It is about time Europe started to share this burden.
  
  It's pretty disingenuous to act like the US took sole credit, or that Europe didn't share in the burden of WW2.
  Plus re:world peace - the USA has been involved in 32 wars since WW2 ended, none of them on American soil.
  
  Sorry to burst that bubble, but just because you were never taught about the things they're talking about doesn't mean they didn't happen.
  It just means your education system, like most, is run by nationalists that care more aboutv using mythology to make more nationalists than about conveying historical fact.

Legend says it started with Trump getting a dirty sanchez in a Moscow brothel.
- I was there the day the strength of men failed.

Murica was never free, has always been madness
- We were freed from England. Slaves were freed from slavery. But, no, we were never freed from plutocracy. We've made attempts, though. There will always be someone trying to opress. There will always be a culture of servitude because in service of others power is concentrated.
  Although, America has continued to fight for its freedom. Sometimes winning. Sometimes losing. As a result Americans have experienced more freedom than those who came before.
  
  Although, America has continued to fight for its freedom. Sometimes winning. Sometimes losing. As a result Americans have experienced more freedom than those who came before.
  Most brainwashed people on earth.
  
  Americans have experienced more freedom than those who came before.
  [citation needed]
  
  Americans have experienced more freedom than those who came before.
  How are Americans more free than the native people that were on the continent before Europeans arrived?
  Answer: They aren't
  
  Slavery in the British Empire ended a generation before slavery ended in the US.
  Sorry, but USA was founded on hypocrisy, pretty words about freedom and equality set down on paper by slave masters.
  Everyone else in the world knows you get freedom by voting for it in election after election. Only Americans believe that freedom is granted by deified slave masters.
- All states are tyranny, agreed.
  
  True but if you don't have an army you'll quickly become a slave to others who do have an army

It's not analogy, it's allegory. It applies too well to the world.
- I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.
  
  True. But in 21st century colloquial speech, a linguist would have to admit that, descriptively, "widely applicable" and "allegorical" are nearly synonymous. But I'm also a fan of the quote, history does not often repeat itself - but it rhymes. So whether it's fictional history or rough allegory, the end result is the same.
  
  The fuck you on about, mate? You got a problem with allegories?
  
  Downvoted for disliking allegory.

Europe after stopping fighting the most brutal and effective wars for centuries:
You're sure you want us back? We'll be united this time too.
- But like… hundred/-s of years ago we had a very different moral system? Which doesn’t justify nuts, but we recognize our crimes against humanity!
  Do you not think that today the us wanting a colonial empire is so so so much worse?
  
  Are you under the impression that Europe is somehow inoculated against imperialism? It's been fine going along with the US right up to this point, and has sins all its own.
  
  Potentially yes, but europe was so nice all in peace (compared to before).
- Slavery and colonization is not "war".
  
  You have no idea what you are talking about.

I will draw you, Donald, as poison is drawn from a wound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzIjVKbxuec&t=128

Europe must join together send to shit USA and go full Gandalf the White
- May I suggest to evaluate the idea to side with Russia and go full homeland vs newland. I mean EU + Russia sided with China could smash the old USA. If USA leaves NATO the rest of NATO could integrate Russia. Top notch superpower, with a little topping of democracy. TL DR What if EU + RU Vs USA ?
  I mean it’s easier for logistics once you build proper infrastructure. Better than an ocean
  But don’t mind this comment nor take it seriously, what I want is no more wars.
  Peace
  
  For you ukraine doesn't matter?
  This whole template implies that Russia is Sauron. I wouldnt side with it.

More importantly, why is EU Gandalf supporting so many pro-Sauron leaders when they have USA Saruman's fall as a cautionary tale right in front of them?

2016
- Yeah, America was fine before that, just ask Iraq, lol. (and Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam, Indonesia, Korea, Chile, Panama, Cambodia, Iran, Palestine, etc)

America may be able to join Russia, but ultimately the war in Ukraine is a war on Europe so how tf does Europe "join" Russia (besides handing over the entire territory)?
- I think that's the point, that's what Saruman here is advising, just like some European politics, unfortunately - to join Russia willingly, to become what Belarus is, a vasal state.
- How about Europe joins the war?
  
  no thank you

Oh, my friend
How did you come
To trade the fiddle for the drum

Friesengard

[Insert Always has been meme]

I don't like Putin, but showing serious political situations as blockbuster movies is a bit distasteful.
- Haven't you heard? All politics can be explained through comparison to Harry Potter, Starwars, or Lord of the Rings.
- Pffft... Nowhere near as distasteful as Donald Trump turning the USA into a nation that's all about betraying allies for money.

The USA has been the bad guy since, like, 1952. Hell, it was post-Soviet Russia that joined with The United States back in the post-9/11 War on Terror period. And the Europeans aren't Gandalf. You are a serf. Bitch, you live in Alsace. You are a peasant. You need to give your fuckin' lord the grain. Your fucking children, you've had 15 children. You've never taken a bath. You've literally never. washed. your. penis. You've never used toilet paper. Motherfucker, you have worms. You are dying. You've had 40 children, 3 of them are alive. 2 of them are child soldiers in the Duke's army.
Bitch, the greatest thing you can hope for is to die at the old age of 36. You fucking can't read. You don't know what TV is. If you were transported into today, you would be the worst gamer of all time. You don't know shit. You literally probably don't even know what the direction 'left' is. I'm sure some Medieval guy is gonna get mad at me for this, bitch I've been to the Renaissance Fair. I've eaten a large turkey wing, which the Juggalos call 'bitch beaters', which I think is problematic but a funny thing to call them.
Motherfucker, you gotta recognize where you are, and then you gotta get passed that. You gotta be unemotional. You can't sink into this hole. You live in the oubliette. Your job is to crawl up the ladder, motherfucker. You live in the HOLE. You're in the HOLE. You are a RAT. And the rat, when he's in the hole gets fucked. People only throw trash in the hole.
You need to eat a body. And you need to carry the plague. And you need to carry a plague around this whole world, that will change this whole fuckin world. And all your enemies will vomit black bile and will choke on blood and will grow boils and die. But only if you get together with your other RATS. And you come up with some kind of super plague, to fuckin end your enemies and...
End. This. Nightmare.
- Get better soon.