6mo ago

Thanks to Nvidia, there's a new generation of PCs coming, and they'll be running Linux

www.zdnet.com

OK, maybe you wouldn't pay three grand for a Project DIGITS PC. But what about a $1,000 Blackwell PC from Acer, Asus, or Lenovo?

Besides, why not use native Linux as the primary operating system on this new chip family? Linux, after all, already runs on the Grace Blackwell Superchip. Windows doesn't. It's that simple.

Nowadays, Linux runs well with Nvidia chips. Recent benchmarks show that open-source Linux graphic drivers work with Nvidia GPUs as well as its proprietary drivers.

Even Linus Torvalds thinks Nvidia has gotten its open-source and Linux act together. In August 2023, Torvalds said, "Nvidia got much more involved in the kernel. Nvidia went from being on my list of companies who are not good to my list of companies who are doing really good work."

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6mo ago

Thanks to Nvidia, there's a new generation of PCs coming, and they'll be running Linux

www.zdnet.com /article/thanks-to-nvidia-theres-a-new-generation-of-pcs-coming-and-theyll-be-running-linux/

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Honestly, I've found that my compute needs have been surpassed quite a while ago, and so I could easily get away with buying a $300 computer.
- Honestly, for real, a lot of low-power PCs are really useful once they have crap like Windows off of them and a lightweight Linux distro on them.
  
  Exactly. Get yourself a somewhat low-end PC, wipe windows, and install Linux Mint, and you're pretty much golden.
  
  I've found my preferences have been creeping up in price again, but only because I've found I want an actually physically lightweight laptop, and those have been getting more available, linux-able and capable.
  I only need a few hundred dollars worth of computer, and anything more can live on a rack somewhere. I'll pay more than that for my computer to be light enough I don't need to think about.
- Up until the early 2000s, serial computation speed doubled about every 18 months. That meant that virtually all software just ran twice as quickly every 18 months of CPU advances. And since taking advantage of that was trivial, new software releases did, traded CPU cycles for shorter development time or more functionality, demanded current hardware to run at a reasonable clip.
  In that environment, it was quite important to upgrade the CPU.
  But that hasn't been happening for about twenty years now. Serial computation speed still increases, but not nearly as quickly any more.
  This is about ten years old now:
  https://preshing.com/20120208/a-look-back-at-single-threaded-cpu-performance/
  Throughout the 80’s and 90’s, CPUs were able to run virtually any kind of software twice as fast every 18-20 months. The rate of change was incredible. Your 486SX-16 was almost obsolete by the time you got it through the door. But eventually, at some point in the mid-2000’s, progress slowed down considerably for single-threaded software – which was most software.
  Perhaps the turning point came in May 2004, when Intel canceled its latest single-core development effort to focus on multicore designs. Later that year, Herb Sutter wrote his now-famous article, The Free Lunch Is Over. Not all software will run remarkably faster year-over-year anymore, he warned us. Concurrent software would continue its meteoric rise, but single-threaded software was about to get left in the dust.
  If you’re willing to trust this line, it seems that in the eight years since January 2004, mainstream performance has increased by a factor of about 4.6x, which works out to 21% per year. Compare that to the 28x increase between 1996 and 2004! Things have really slowed down.
  We can also look at about the twelve years since then, which is even slower:
  https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/2026vs6296/Intel-i7-4960X-vs-Intel-Ultra-9-285K
  This is using a benchmark to compare the single-threaded performance of the i7 4960X (Intel's high-end processor back at the start of 2013) to that of the Intel Ultra 9 285K, the current one. In those _{12 years, the latest processor has managed to get single-threaded performance about `(5068/2070)=}2.448 times the 12-year-old processor. That's (5068/2070)^(1/12)=1.07747`, about a 7.7% performance improvement per year. The age of a processor doesn't matter nearly as much in that environment.
  We still have had significant parallel computation increases. GPUs in particular have gotten considerably more powerful. But unlike with serial compute, parallel compute isn't a "free" performance improvement -- software needs to be rewritten to take advantage of that, it's often hard to parallelize solving problems, and some problems cannot be solved in parallel.
  Honestly, I'd say that the most-noticeable shift is away from rotational drives to SSDs -- there are tasks for which SSDs can greatly outperform rotational drives.
  
  My line for computational adequacy was crossed with the Core2Duo. Any chip since has been fine for everyday administration or household use, and they are still fine running linux.
  Any Apple silicon including the M1 is now adequate even for high end production, setting a new low bar, and a new watershed.
  
  You know, that would explain a lot because I had no idea that there was an authentication pin and that's total bullshit.
- For real, I'm happily using an APU for 90% of the time. I barely need a dedicated GPU at all any more. I use Mint btw.
- I was that way for the longest time. I was more than content with my 4 core 8 thread 4th Gen. i7 laptop. I only upgraded to an 11th Gen. i9 system because I wanted to play some games on the go.
  But after I upgraded to that system I started to do so much more, and all at once. Mostly because I actually could, and the old system would cry in pain long before then. But Mid last year I finally broke and bought a 13th Gen. i9 system to replace it and man do I flog the shit out of this computer. Just having the spare power lying around made me want to do more and more with it.
  
  My phone has been my primary computing device for several years now, and so I hardly ever use my laptop anyway. So it honestly doesn't make a whole lot of sense for me to spend a ton of money on it.
- I bought a former office HP EliteDesk 800 G2 16GB for $120 on eBay or Amazon (can’t recall) 2 years ago with the intention of it just being my server. I ended up not unhooking the monitor and leaving it on my desk since it’s plenty fast for my needs. No massive PC gaming rig but it plays Steam indie titles and even 3D modeling and slicing apps at full speed. I just haven’t needed to get anything else.
  
  Being blind, I don't play video games and don't do any kind of 3D graphics and stuff like that. So many, many computers would fit my specifications.
Linux, after all, already runs on the Grace Blackwell Superchip. Windows doesn’t.
And why is that?
Project DIGITS features the new NVIDIA GB10 Grace Blackwell Superchip, offering a petaflop of AI computing performance for prototyping, fine-tuning and running large AI models.
With the Grace Blackwell architecture, enterprises and researchers can prototype, fine-tune and test models on local Project DIGITS systems running Linux-based NVIDIA DGX OS, and then deploy them seamlessly on NVIDIA DGX Cloud™, accelerated cloud instances or data center infrastructure.
Oh, because it's not a fucking consumer product. It's for enterprises that need a cheap supercomputer
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But it's just for AI bullshit.
- I don't care why they got their shit together, I'm happy as long as they fix the open source drivers.
Where's the PC? Is it the brick on the desk? 🤣
- https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/project-digits/
  Yes, actually lmao
  
  But... Why make it so ugly?
NVCC is still proprietary and full of telemetry. You cannot build CUDA without it.
Well, it's still a modified custom distro and other distros will need to invest extra effort to be able to run there. So, no actual freedom of choice for users again...
- Not true. You can run other distros, but it won’t be ready to go without a decent amount of work.
  
  thats...literally what they just said.
Don't get too excited -- if this goes like the last few NVidia hardware, it will:
cost too much
run a non-mainline kernel
NVidia will discontinue support for it after 3 months
Go talk to all the Jetson owners out there and see how happy they are with NVidia Linux boxes. I'll believe it when I see it (and when it is supported for longer than a quarter)
I hope to see some nice Risc-V PCs soon
Or you can just buy any random potato computer (or assemble it yourself from stuff you found) and still run Linux on it.
Haven't they been making things like the Jetson AGX for years? I guess this is an announcement of the next generation.
- It's a pile of shit compared to any other sbc. It's difficult to develop or run anything because it has an arm chip
  
  But arm is the most deployed microprocessor in the world? I'd much rather write arm assembly than Intel or PowerPC. For higher level languages, arm has good compiler support. Can you explain why you don't like arm? I'm genuinely curious because it is probably my favorite development environment (I mostly write embedded system software).
I'm planning on getting new pc soon. I was planning on avoiding nvidia because i had read it might be more difficult to get drivers. Does this mean they are going to improve things in general or just for the newest and likely most expensive stuff? I dont want to buy the newest possible gpu since they always have bloated price for being new and a bit older ones are likely decent enough too.
- Nvidia drivers on Linux are messy and have been for a long time. It took them ages to fix Vsync in Wayland. If you want to run Linux, go AMD (or Intel).
  
  I was planning on getting some amd gpu. Are there any other components that might have similar issues? I want to build this pc specificially for linux
- Modern nvidia GPUs work great, like rtx 900 and newer
  The main problem are nvidia legacy cards where nvidia isn’t updating their proprietary drivers and isn’t making them open source which leads to the decision to go with nuveau on newer kernels which has less features and uses more power, but is wayland compatible.
Not Acer. I’ve been burnt by them too much in the past.
Cant load the article. Does it mention if this will be ARM computers?
I fucking wish you could filter out words like “Linux” on Lemmy so I don’t have to hear it anymore. I avoid Linux out of spite to all the Linux bros
- Stay mad
  
  Not mad, mildly annoyed. Does the billionaire who owns Linux allow you to get off his dick so you can defend them online?
- You can, at least in voyager. Go to settings and then filters & blocks. There, you'll find that you can add keywords to filter.
- You can, it was one of the first things I did, blocked politics
  Haha

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