TIL Children as young as eight can and have been put on the sex offender registry, which lasts the rest of their lives.
Sex Offender Registration of Children (SORNA) | Juvenile Law Center
So, some context as to why this happens: the US does not give a fuck about how old someone is if they're involved in the production of csam, nor does it care if it was voluntary. This means that, in the eye of the law, a teenager sending nudes to their boyfriend is just as much of a pedophile as the man shooting child porn; and their boyfriend is just as much of a pedophile for viewing and possessing them. I'm guessing that OP likely posted this after reading an article like this: https://apnews.com/article/child-images-police-columbus-cf377933b5be55297cf88c923b8f0b92
It doesn't stop there though. I have been told to never, ever try to submit evidence to the FBI of someone being a child predator. The reason for that is because the FBI does not give a fuck. They will prosecute you as a predator, even if you're just trying to do the right thing. Combine that with the fact that an accusation of being a predator is life-ending, even if you're found innocent, and it encourages people to destroy evidence and stay quiet.
Finally, if there's any csam on your PC, whether or not you're aware of it, regardless of whether you received it voluntarily (like temp browser files from accidently viewing a hijacked website with cp on the page), you are automatically a pedophile in the eyes of US law. This is especially destructive when it comes to a video, where each frame is counted as an individual piece of csam. This means you can potentially be taken to court for hundreds or thousands of pieces of child pornography because someone embedded a clip of cp in a movie.
Fuck pedophiles, but the law needs an overhaul. In addition to the number of people who got put on the registry as kids, there are probably a lot of people who've gotten fucked because they were legitimately trying to do the right thing.
Edit: I could be wrong about this, the law may have changed or I may have been misinformed. It's been a long time since I was told this, but it's in line with the article I linked and the one OP linked, so it's unfortunately far too believable to disregard. If there are any legal experts who can counter this, please speak up.
Edit 2: someone has replied telling me that I'm at least partially wrong, which I'm happy to hear. Still, stay safe. It seems like using csam to fuck with people, especially those in marginalized communities, is becoming more popular. Report it, clear your cache and/or temp files directory (whichever is associated with the program you had the misfortune of viewing it through), and move on. Or, to put it another way, treat it as if you accidently picked up an unshielded bar of plutonium by the side of the road. Put it down, leave the area, report it to authorities, thoroughly clean yourself off (then maybe go to the hospital).
Um, yeah, most of this is made up.
If you encounter CSAM on the web, just report it to https://report.cybertip.org/ and clear your cache. You don't have to fill out all the detail fields; just give 'em the URL that linked to it.
But mostly, don't go looking. Don't try to be a brave vigilante willing to subject yourself to awfulness in order to protect children. That's not how it works. If you go looking, folks will assume you're participating.
I was mainly talking about submitting evidence, like a discord screenshot of someone posting cp. I might still be wrong there though.
Edit: like, the issues Lemmy has had with people spamming csam is an example of how someone might come across it unintentionally. Someone might feel compelled to actually submit a screenshot or the video itself as evidence to the FBI, which I've been told is a very bad idea.
Yeah it's just absurd. The offender registry is full of victims. Sure it is. /s
What the FUCK
Mens rea is a legal requirement, isn't it? Like don't they have to prove intent?
lol
There are things called strict liability offences, for which intent is not required to prove guilt.
Possession of CSAM is one of those, although I'm not sure about the US (most other countries it is).
The problem isnt the registries per se, it is that they are extremely poorly administered if children are being put on them. The criteria for adding an individual to such registries needs to be strict and with a reasonably high threshold, so that nobody gets on one for things like pissing outside, or accidental exposure, or minors sexting each other, or for accidentally having a few CSAM images that they had downloaded unwittingly etc
I had some involvement with a local registry some years back, and we only inluded adults who physically offended against minors and with a significant age difference, and adults who were actively and deliberately involved in the production and distribution of copious quantities of CSAM. Most had track records involving multiple offences and multiple victims
The criteria for adding an individual to such registries needs to be strict and with a reasonably high threshold
I think this needs to be part of the law itself. If it's at the discretion of people in charge of administering it, that's easily subject to corruption.
Agreed
They shouldn't exist. If someone is a danger to reoffend they shouldn't be let out of prision in the first place.
This is what you get with a justice system focused on punishment, not justice, and a for profit penal system fixated on money not rehabilitation.
They need treatment and rehabilitation, not incarceration for the sake of filling beds
Technically everyone is capable of reoffending.
This would be the ideal solution, yes
In my state they put you on the sex offender registry if you get caught pissing outside
To my mind, this sort of thing (no pun intended) waters down the entire meaning of the thing.
We'll eventually see this period of history as being as extreme with sex crimes as the 80s were with seeing satanic cults everywhere.
Some day we’ll look at all this and laugh just as we do with that “Satanic Panic”
With the difference that the huge number of satanic cults people assumed and talked about did not exist.
While the huge number of sexual assaults, rapes and sexual harassment sadly does exist.
I feel people are now starting to care more about putting the lid on it, by various degrees, without there being any real progress in the number of cases. People are "more aware" didn't really lead to more empathy or more help for sexual abuse survivors. There seems to be a bigger push into the direction "well it's just a part of life, stop talking about it already".
I don't think so, especially considering that we have 8 year olds on sex offender registries which is just retarded.
The problem with rape is that many times its very hard to impossible to prove, especially when time has passed. Sometimes it's possible with messages sent to and from, sometimes with a rape kit.
But what if there was a rape without witnesses where she was so afraid that she didn't move, and later je "simply" claims she was a consenting partner?
What if she actually was a consenting partner and then retroactively claimed it was rape?
Things get very muddy and dicey very quickly and we're still living in a "innocent until proven guilty" society, thankfully, but it does make rape a very complicated subject
Which bullshit and we need to fix that. I remember listening to a podcast about the woman who help create that after her son was taken. She says she regrets the program and wish she never created it because of shit like this.
The problem is that saying that you want to get rid of the registry, it's people looking at you funny and automatically assuming that you must be some kind of creep if you have a problem with "punishing creeps"
That list isn't going anywhere unless you educate people on just how strict the rules are for people on the list and how lenient the rules are for getting people on to the list.
Relevant stand up from Gianmarco Soresi:
https://youtube.com/shorts/jcXK-sPqsL0?si=TbKCSu5EFWIX_JMg
Sorry for the shorts link, was the easiest to find quickly for just this segment.
There was a video on the old site, recently, where a Ring doorbell caught an officer interaction. Man reported other man as grooming his daughter, who was convinced to send nudes. Cop said she could be arrested for creating child pornography. This is the stupid world we live in.
According to a podcast I listened to a few years ago, kids have even gone on the sex-offender list for pissing in public. I don't doubt that to be true. It made me a lot more cautious about peeing on a tree late at night when drunk.
The idea that my life could change because somebody claims to see my junk is, frightening.
The officers and DA want to fluff up their arrest and conviction records. CP charges generate such an emotional response out of people that they rarely look closer at the case until all is said and done. The LEOs know this. That's your motive and method.
That was from my town unfortunately. Bored cops who didn’t want to do their job when a concerned dad called and they (thankfully) had a complete loss of situational awareness so we all get to watch what happened on the doorbell camera.
Good on the dad for immediately shutting them down when he saw the direction it was going: https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/crime/2023/09/18/columbus-police-officers-backlash-viral-video-child-sexual-misconduct-call-11-year-old-grooming/70895034007/
My sister was nearly put on the registry when she was 15 for slapping a friends butt in school who had decided she didn’t want to be friends with her anymore but hadn’t exactly communicated it. She chose to communicate that by accusing her of SA.
My sister avoided the registry by a mix of community service and counseling, but I always thought it was wild that she was at risk while under 18.
You aren't old enough to consent to sex but you are old enough to be charged with sex crimes. Bizarre
I don't really think it's bizarre. Sex crimes and consensual sex are two very different things. The issue here is that some people seem to be facing consequences that last a lifetime for 'crimes' that seem pretty insignificant. But if someone raped another person you'd expect them to face consequences even if they are underage when committing the offence.
Yeah, I remember when everyone was starting to get decent camera phones and then news articles started popping up about high schoolers being picked up by the FBI for producing child porn by sending nudes, and their girlfriend/boyfriend for seeing them. There was a bit of panic, that was then promptly ignored because "it'd never happen to us".
Can't imagine how different someones life would be if they were tagged as a sex offender before even turning 18.
"Did you or did you not ride your big wheel within 100 ft of an elementary school? Just answer the question Timmy."
Pretty sure that's the biggest reason why zoomers turned into such prudes