lemmy.blahaj.zone has defederated from us
lemmy.blahaj.zone has defederated from us
One of the admins at lemmy.blahaj.zone asked us to purge a community and all of its users because they thought it was full of child sexual abuse material, aka CSAM, fka kiddy porn. We assured them that we had checked this comm thoroughly and we were satisfied that all of the models on it were of age.
The admin then demanded we purge the comm because they mistook it for CSAM, and claimed that the entire point of the community was to make people think it was CSAM. We vehemently disagreed that that was in fact the point of the community, but they decided to defederate from us anyway. That is of course their choice, but we will not purge our communities or users because someone else makes a mistake of fact, and then lays the responsibility for their mistake at our feet.
If someone made a community intended to fool people into thinking it was kiddy porn, that would be a real problem. If someone of age goes online and pretends -- not roleplays, but pretends with intent to deceive -- to be a child and makes porn, that is a real problem. Nobody here is doing that.
One of the reasons we run our instance the way that we do is that we want it to be inclusive. We don't body shame, and we believe that all adults have a right to sexual expression. That means no adult on our instance is too thin, fat, bald, masculine, old, young, cis, gay, etc., to be sexy, and that includes adults that look younger than some people think they should. Everyone has a right to lust and to be lusted after. There's no way to draw a line that says "you can't like adult people that look like X" without crossing a line that we will not cross.
EDIT: OK, closing this post to new comments. Everything that needs saying has been said. Link to my convo with the blahaj admin here.
Discourse like this sucks. Of course they are free to defederate but presenting this server as a place that allows abusive material is a gross misrepresentation.
I’m assuming the post in question was the one of imcherryblossom. Two seconds of Googling shows that they are a OnlyFans/Fansly model and proves they are above age, and she pretty clearly looks it too imo.
Equating that post with essentially abuse doesn’t sit right with me. Especially when this server has done a good job imo of banning even borderline content while mod tools improve.
After reading your post over at lemmynsfw, it's pretty clear they were looking for a rationale to defederate and would have done that no matter what you did to prevent it.
You made the right choice if with an unfortunate outcome.
So if an adult has a childlike appearance, they are not an adult; they are considered a kid. What even is this shit?
I’ve seen both of these posts now, and it leads me to wonder what is the community? because this sounds like the same situation as the jailbait subreddit a long time ago, and if it’s literally a jailbait community then i’d have to agree with their decision to defederate. hosting jailbait porn is gross, equating that position to bodyshaming is insane.
So much drama about something so silly. If their concerns were valid about the subject models being under age, or trying to appear under age, then that's one thing, but this is starting it boil down to a difference of opinion on what looks like CSAM....
They say yes, you say no, it's a whole thing of everyone having an opinion.
That's fine. Can't control what others decide to do with their servers. They're free to defed if they feel that's the only way to handle it.
IMO, it sucks to see this splintering of the federation over something like this, but it is what it is.
this community (adorableporn) is allowed on reddit and has 2.1m members there. why would you try to be more holy than the pope?
if it's ok for reddit and every ad company, then maybe this comm isn't that bad
maybe that admin was just flustered that their CSAM allegation was wrong and were unable to stop their demands from that point.
if that admin actually believes in their allegations: you can't ban young adults from presenting themselves in a sexpositive way.
aren't femboys also the same thing? it is a community of people that bases their identity on having youthful girlish looks. being "adorable" is also a goal of them.
This reminds me of how they essentially banned sex work of women with small breasts in Australia because of a poorly written law
Some people can't help but project their filthy minds onto other
Breasts of all sizes are perfectly healthy and normal
The thing I don’t get is they seem to host plenty of nsfw material themselves that would fall under that category of “child-like”. I’m not going to argue the specifics on where the line should be drawn, but I feel like they should at least moderate their own communities properly before such action against content that’s no worse than theirs
love to see this kind of response from the instance moderation team! Completely agreed. Just because some people might be uncomfortable with it, consenting adults should be able to do whatever the fuck they want (and, certainly, consenting adults--which is what porn and adult models are--should absolutely not be treated like children, because they simply aren't)
I think this is a perfect example of what federation is all about. If the Admins of one community are unhappy with the decisions of another they are free to voice that, and if they and their users want to defederate, they can. Personally, I just block all communties that aren't man and cock centered, and have no interest in anyone under 21, so try and block those too.
Hey, this Stanford Report on CSAM in the Fediverse might explain why instance admins are nervous about even the appearance of illicit content.
https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:vb515nd6874/20230724-fediverse-csam-report.pdf
Yeah their reasoning for defederating is kinda dumb, but luckily anyone can just make a separate account for lemmynsfw so nothing really is lost. I kinda don't even see why someone would leave nsfw enabled on their main account, like do you wanna have sexy photos mixed in with your news, cat pictures, Hobby-communities?
I feel sorry for the poor blahaj name.
I appreciate the relative civility coming from both sides here. There's room enough in the fediverse for as many Lemmy instances as we require. Nobody should be forced to do something that they don't want to do whether that be to host content or to moderate content. I encourage users to respect the decisions of both instances.
I don't have a problem with lemmnsfw.com and find a lot of the material to be tasteful pornography. I rather agree with no body and image shaming. While my instance doesn't host any communities yet, I see no reason federate with them as similar communities can be found on other instances with much less heavy-handed tactics. I'll wash my hands of https://lemmy.blahaj.zone in solidarity.
After reading both admin statements I'm not sure which side I fall on. Both raise legitimate concerns.
On one hand, it's incredibly shitty to shame someone for how they look, regardless of what they're doing.
On the other hand, fetishizing childlike appearances is also pretty skeevy, even if everyone is an adult.
However, my understanding is that this is how the fediverse is designed to operate.
Everyone has the ability to host whatever content they want and also choose which instances they want to see content from.
Blahaj.zone isn't going anywhere and if you still want to see the stuff there, there are numerous instances that can let you do that. Accounts are free.
Beehaw and others doesn't have problems with communities, but Blahaj somehow found something wrong. Strange.
drumming up lynch mobs against people who didn't do anything wrong because "it's not CSAM but you want it to be". This is just a moral crusade against consenting adults, it's 100% bullshit, and the person who made the call in blahaj is now going through the announcement thread for the call and deleting dissenting opinions.
i'll post this here since blahaj removed it for not fellating the admins enough.
there are a lot of people making judgements without seeing the content or the community in question. you're going off of the word of an admin and their bias or prejudice. the vast majority of people making statements about this have no idea what the name of the community even is, let alone have read its rules, seen its posts, or its comments. we could be talking about a MILF community for all you know.
I am almost 100% aligned with you but I think there is a point to make that there are differences between the right for any adult to create sensual and sexual desire no matter their body type AND gathering and fetichising on young looking bodies or adult bodies that could be perceived as juvenile
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That admin is a neo-Nazi Karen. She even admitted that nothing's wrong with it from a legal standpoint, but regardless, you will still be censored if you don't agree with her.
“kiddy porn” … by using that term you are already showing you are fucked up. Also Comparing it with inclusiveness… dude I really hope you are hiding your IP.
I haven't looked for that comm and won't, but it sounds intended to attract viewers with pedo tendencies. Whether that's a safe outlet or a red flag, idk. I do know that Reddit and other sites go apeshit banning even erotic fiction with underage characters. I have heard they do that not from concern that the fiction could be illegal per se, but rather that they don't want to create a pedo magnet that could then bring the pedos into contact with actual underage users.
OTOH, I know that AO3 chose not to have such a rule. IDK if that has led to any bad stuff in real life. I hope not, of course.
