9mo ago

Sanders: Trump will be ‘closer to Netanyahu’ on Gaza if reelected

“To those people who are saying, ‘Well, I can’t support Harris because she disagrees [with] Trump on that issue’ … he will be closer to Netanyahu,” Sanders said on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

Sanders said he thinks Vice President Harris can be moved “on that issue” of the Israel-Hamas war.

Harris has called for a cease-fire deal and pushed for the war in Gaza to end, but she faces scrutiny from both sides — from people who want to see Hamas defeated and those who call for the end of the war in Gaza.

“So, if we are able to elect Harris, I think we’re going to have an opportunity to move her on that issue, to make it clear, we cannot allow children in Gaza to starve to death,” Sanders said. “She will be open to that. I doubt that Trump will.”

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In before we get lectured about how this old white Jew is really BlueMAGA....
- Or how Harris and Trump are BoTh ThE sAmE!!1! because Harris hasn't screamed from the rooftops that what's happening in Gaza is horrible.
  
  because Harris hasn’t screamed from the rooftops that what’s happening in Gaza is horrible.
  On the other hand, why hasn't she?
- If he talks like BlueMAGA, he must be BlueMAGA
  
  https://www.reckon.news/justice/2024/08/do-palestinians-prefer-kamala-harris-or-donald-trump-gazans-weigh-in.html
  Wanna tell that to these Palestinians? It is patronizing colonialism to suggest you know better than they do.
  
  And what does that make you?..
  A remnant of Saddam Hussein's shit he left behind when he got yanked from his hidey-hole?
you have to hand it to the "vote 3rd party" tryhards: they never shut the fuck up with their stupid bullshit
- they never shut the fuck up
  Just wait til the day after the election thru the following 3.5 years
- You can’t blame em for wanting better
  Blaming people for wanting better is basically what lemmy is for.
  
  Let's ignore that fascism coming from within so we can focus on the other fascism.
- As far as we know, it's just one guy in Moscow named Dimitri with a bunch of burner accounts.
- Paycheck ends in 10 days finish strong!
- Because the vast majority of them aren't real.
He is right. Trump will do whatever the evangelical hard right want, which in the case of the Middle East is to pump as much support, weapons, and money into Israel, purely so they can trigger Armageddon and try to fulfill their wet dreams of Supply-Side Jesus coming down off his cloud. Also doesn't help that trump is a flagrant racist who would be happy to see more 'brown-skinned' people die.
I always feel better when Bernie comes out and drops these truth bombs. He is an absolute national treasure, very presidential
- I don't want to hear you guys every say you want old people out of politics, while you simp for this old, ineffectual mummy. He needs to go away with the rest of the geriatrics and let the young policy makers take over
I mean Trump just literally said the Netanyahu needs to do whatever he needs to do.
1000% True.
Good on Sanders. It feels like he always has to be dragged kicking and screaming to support the party (and likely would be even more influential if he just played the game) but he is a voice that people might listen to.
That said: It is important to remember that the majority of the "No, I want support genocide LA LA LA LA LA LA LA" crowd either listen to or are tankies that are, at best, useful idiots for putin et al. They don't care about Palestine and they sure as hell don't care about anyone else that trump et al will genocide if elected.
- They don't care about Palestine.
  Way to gaslight people because they're disagree with you.
  
  https://www.reckon.news/justice/2024/08/do-palestinians-prefer-kamala-harris-or-donald-trump-gazans-weigh-in.html
  Perhaps they should listen to what Palestinians want them to do.
  
  I don't think you know what the word "gaslight(ing)" means
  If people actually cared about the Palestinians they would advocate for harm reduction and any hope for them rather than all but guaranteeing their eradication under trump. It is a very slim chance but there is hope that the Kamala administration will at least give israel fewer bombs or demand they be used for things that benefit US interests (like attacking iran) rather than cheering on the genocide.
  But, to elaborate, the Palestinians have a long history of mostly beiing a political tool. In the past, when there were chances to evacuate them as refugees, the majority of neighboring countries actively refused (ironically citing fears of Hamas led insurrections). But when it is a way to bleed resources out of israel they suddenly are all humanitarians.
  And considering how many prominent mouthpieces are, at best, useful idiots for the tankies? It is hard to believe that suddenly, after everyone discovered Palestine existed on October 8th, that is truly the greatest issue facing the planet (especially when other active genocides are still ignored).
Trump is not going to support peace. He will go all in on full genocide or apartheid.
- So, Biden without the lip service?
  
  Either way.
  As is, Biden was and still is her boss. At least there’s a shot of organizing some kind of two state solution with her.
  Trump with apartheid’s child whispering in his ear? Where’s that going to go?
to not vote in protest is to fall for a Russian troll campaign
- It is to be an enabler of greater suffering, whether Dimitri had anything to do with it or not.
  Perhaps some people are just morons or evil. Dimitri's efforts might be irrelevant.
- Its better to not vote at all, that will solve it! You're a fucking child, asshole.
  See i can use personal attacks too, and they do fuck all for moving things forward, you idiot. I'm sure there will be loads of people swayed by our eloquent words...
  
  Russia wants division in America. Think about that, or don't, because I've doubt you've done much thinking to get to your viewpoint now. Or you're a troll
closer is an understatement
That's the thing, tankies don't care about Palestine, in fact I'd bet a good chunk of their numbers are IDF counterintel psyops.
It's clear after a year of listening to tankies that they want gazans wiped off the face of the earth 🤷
Tankies are the libest libs of them all lmao
- Almost agreed until the libs bit. Not sure why people have such a hate boner for liberals whos philosophy are largely live and let live
If I was in a swing state then I would vote for Harris to prevent Trump from getting in, but I'm not in a swing state so I'm going to vote for a candidate that I actually like.
Since my state (California) would never turn red, the best thing I can do in my vote is to help my actual preferred candidate get access to campaign funds.
But again, I do think those in swing states should do whatever they can to prevent Trump from getting in.
- Sensible!
They forgot to leave room for Trump
- Who is "they" in your comment?
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We will kill them slowly vs we will kill them faster.
For a year now instead of escalation, the democrats allow Israel to commit a genocide in Gaza, continue genocide in west bank, attack Lebanon, attack Iran, attack Yemen.
All three ask for is “ stop genocide in Gaza “
- Seems like one choice is clearly better. Sure things aren't perfect but the decision should be clear.
  
  It's absolutely wild to me that people act like there is some magically viable third option at this point.
  
  For you, if you are okay with these two options that great. Other people refuse to be part of the killing of their people and you cannot force them to take your position.
- Slow death is far more preferably then it isn't incurable and terminal. It creates an opportunity to stop the death. A peace agreement a year from now under Harris means way more people are still alive than if it's under Trump.
  That's all that should matter. Slowing it gives time for intervention and for an opposition coalition to grow. This conflict has been going on for decades. Do you really believe things would be better if Israel just killed everyone 20 years ago? Do you believe things will be better if Israel kills everyone now, versus this conflict still existing in 20 years?
  Consider to what actual Palestinians in Gaza are saying. They have a clear preference for Harris over Trump.
  
  No the don't, their position is clear that both are evil and they don't care who is running the show. Their position is to resist even without a gun they will pickup a rock ot a stick. Their position is the rather die fighting than dying on bed a slow death.
Sanders said he thinks Vice President Harris can be moved “on that issue” of the Israel-Hamas war.
I've always admired Sanders' optimism, even when I don't share it.
- Well he better get fucking moving he's only got a couple days left.
- He's sheep dogging again. He knows she can't be moved, if she could it would have moved by now.
  
  Oh, look. We have the equivalent of Trump's RINO accusations on the socialist side.
He's as delusional as the rest of BlueMAGA. He's being the good little sheepdog he's always been.
- LOL blueMAGA. The most ridiculous attack I have seen in a while. It is like saying Palestinians are blueIDF.
  
  BlueIDF seems like a more fitting moniker for the centrist wing of the Democratic party than BlueMAGA does.
- Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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