Interested in De-googling, but I would really like a phone with a decent camera, but I can't bring myself to pay $600 for a phone. Advice?
Interested in De-googling, but I would really like a phone with a decent camera, but I can't bring myself to pay $600 for a phone. Advice?
I recently asked for recommendations elsewhere regarding a cost-effective phone with the best camera that's a reasonable price. Almost unanimous recommendations for a Pixel a couple years old. I'm a total noob for privacy stuff but joining Lemmy under the dbzer0 instance, I'm feeling more motivated to learn more and get out from under the thumb of major corps as much as possible.
Can you have a Pixel and still de-google? It seems unlikely... Any advice?
You should look into GrapheneOS if you're set on using pixel.
And calyxOS as well as LineageOS
Yes, as the other comment said, Pixel is actually an easy device to do this with because it has good community support.
And good operating system support
What version of pixel is recommended?
Depends on budget I guess. I went for 6A which was the cheaper model from last year after the 7 was out. I got mine for £299. The older models always drop, getting them around the time new ones comes out is really quite good value. I've not noticed any real performance issues. It's been a good step up from my old phone. I realised it was probably better to buy the lesser model a year old more frequently than buy brand new models for at least twice that. This was after my last 2 being top of the range Android phones. It depends on budget and what you're comfortable with.
It is also worth buying outright rather than contract, as to install GrapheneOS you need to be able to unlock and lock the bootloader and on come contract phones, they interfere with that.
As new as you can afford. The older the model, the shorter its remaining update lifetime.
Of course you can, in fact GrapheneOS is specifically made for this purpose lol
I'd just get a Fairphone and flash my own ROM tho. Reparability is a big plus here
The camera has always been said to be a particular weak point of the Fairphone.
Does the Google Camera perform as good on GrapheneOS as when installed on stock? I'm thinking it may rely on proprietary libraries only available on the stock ROM
Yes, I have a Pixel 6a, and have installed GrapheneOS on it. It does what I need and I enjoy the extra privacy. Would recommend.
I got a Galaxy S20 Ultra refurbished off ebay for $300. It was a flagship phone and was $1,400 when released. It has an SD card slot that allows up to 1TB I think, a 5000mAH battery, and a 108 MP main camera. And it has 12 gb of ram.
Whatever you decide, definitely consider refurbished options.
No need for refurbished, just buy a used one in good condition. Paying more for refurbished is pointless when the only part that consistently degrades over time is the battery - something that can be replaced for much less than the refurb tax.
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If you want take privacy more serious level with some deep understanding in the future, for me Redmi 2 / other phones that compatible with PostmarketOS is enough. For me, android will never been a safe and private place to be for your own data. Too risky..
Pixel 6a is a great value, it goes on sale sometimes too.
Lmao
There are some good recommendations already here. I'll just add that iodéOS has support for many older and cheaper models, including phones from Samsung, Sony, OnePlus and Xiaomi. I believe CalyxOS also has support for some cheap Xiaomi models. If there's a particular phone you like then check if there is a LineageOS build available for it before you give up and go for a boring Pixel.
Here ya go: https://murena.com/america/products/smartphones/?wcpbc-manual-country=US
The Fairphone is expensive, but pretty neat and repairable. All phones are warrantied through them...
Used Pixel 5 or greater and Lineage OS
Just get a LineageOS supported phone of your choice and follow this guide: https://lemmy.ml/post/128667
Might not fit the de-google aspect of your search, but I love my galaxy S10 plus. Older phone, but still snappy and takes great pictures and videos.
I got mine used for like 400 bucks (CAD) before Covid, so while it may not hit the Google free aspect of your search, you'll save some $$$
The S10+ would fit their requirements, as it is supported by iodeOS.
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Check the list below , get the cheaper a be happy, i did that at least
Man all these mfs are steering you deadass wrong. If you’re a noob for privacy stuff start with an iPhone.
You get very clear user settings at first boot that let you choose your level of privacy and you have to actively add trackers on it. You get a very clear functional internal check that communicates what you’re letting different applications do and gives you an opportunity to change that. You get a functional phone that only requires that you trust the people who made it, honestly the same devils bargain any phone requires.
You also get one of the biggest userbases to look shit up and one of the longest support windows in phones.
Once you’re paying attention to your apps and data then you can get a sealed pixel from last year shipped to a vacant house and run graphene and only connect through a vpn and only log in with anonymous accounts.
Don’t try to learn in formula one. Start with a go cart.
"I need a cheap phone."
"jUsT bUy aN iPhoNe bRo!!!!!"
The problem with the iphone, is that Apple has shown it's true colours in recent years. Scanning cloud documents etc under the guise of finding CSAM. Privacy to apple is an advertising slogan and it isn't as private as you'd expect.
Didn’t they end up not doing that?
I don’t have a kid with a cell phone so it’s not something I’ve looked into extensively but didn’t they replace the cloud scanning for on device scanning that has to be enabled through parental controls?
Wouldn’t you want a corporation for whom privacy and security are part of an ad campaign? You would want them to tie their identity and public perception to the things you want because when they violate those ideas (like scanning cloud documents for csam to comply with some eu directive) everyone will notice and yell and they’ll walk it back?
An iPhone SE might be a solid option. A new one is $429 and a used one is much, much cheaper.
Note: They come out with an SE every few years, so if you are buying used or reading reviews, pay attention to which generation it is.