It's extremely impressive. A domestic chip on a 7nm process. That's equivalent to Android flagships of three years ago with the Snapdragon 865, in terms of the manufacturing process. To only be three years behind, after all the sanctions and doing everything yourself, it's incredible.
The Kirin 9000S is only 2% larger than the original 9000, which was made using TSMC 5nm. It performs far better than any 7nm chip.
CPU Performance almost matches the 4nm Exynos 2200, which because the 2300 was a no show is the best chip Samsung has.
GPU Performance although not a match for the original 9000 still exceeds the 5nm Snapdragon 888.
Geek Bench 5 Multi/Single core Scores
Wow that is extremely impressive on the CPU side in terms of raw performance. I guess having their own OS in harmony OS also helps with optimisation. Over 1000 on the single core side, right between the 865 and 888. Energy efficiency still can't match the 865 on the old TSMC process, but it's better than the 888 and 8 gen 1 on Samsungs process. The 8+ gen 1 and 8 gen 2 on the new TSMC process absolutely destroy it in energy efficiency though.
As for the GPU, raw numbers aren't the most important, many ARM GPUs, especially those from Mali, perform poorly in certain situations outside of benchmarks due to poor drivers. It's why people always recommend Adreno GPUs for game emulsion on Android. So it really depends on how Huawei has integrated it on that side. All in all, it's still very impressive.
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"Huawei must go"
Not only is it 5g but it's also got satellite calling capability using Chinese satellites. On top of that, it's a flagship phone being sold at a comparable price to a basic satellite phone.
At this point Huawei is just dabbing in the US.
I had no idea and am delighted to learn that they’d rolled their own OS to replace Android.
It seems like it can run Android apps through a compatibility layer as well.
It looks like they’re hoping to end that though: https://www.huaweicentral.com/harmonyos-next-is-a-pure-harmonyos-without-android-apps-and-future-of-huawei-ecosystem/
Countries are learning that US sanctions only hold so much power now. And they can circumvent them with without much punishment. It's incredible to see. Hopefully heavily sanctioned countries will start collaborating a continue to grow the new global economy independently of the west.
I expect that's what we're going to see with BRICS shortly. One of the rules of BRICS is that members can't sanction one another. So, the more countries join the more become immune from western sanctions. BRICS is already a bigger economy than G7 as well, so if you have to choose economic blocs, it's the winning choice.
This is the battle for Stalingrad in the science and technology war.
Officer #1: [repeating through megaphone] The one with the phone, tweets!
Officer #2: [handing out phones] One out of two gets a phone.
Officer #1: The one without, follows him! When the one with the phone gets killed, the one who is following picks up the phone and tweets!
I really want to get one, but software-wise I still need access to Google at work. Gonna have to do some research on what switching to Huawei's AppGallery ecosystem from Google Play Store will actually impact.
Also you don't get Huawei's Android version (EMUI) on the Huawei Mate 60 pro, you get harmony os as it's only for sale in China. While it can run most android apps seamlessly as well as native harmony os apps, it's not Android. Using it outside of China might be challenging.
A huge fuck you to the imperialist regime. Mate 60 is a big deal. Built all in China along with the OS. I hope its shipping with HarmonyOS 4.0, or the update to it is really quick. That's awesome stuff.
Yeah, this is the most visible sign of Chinese tech independence that most people can understand.
This along with their Linux distro openKylin, China is rising up even more, especially with tech independence. I love it. I wish I could use Linux, but I'm stuck on Windows for software and piracy reasons. Its easier. There's also Deepin OS but I don't really count that.
Damn i kinda want one ngl
Same tbh
The resolution of the camera on the Mate 60 Pro is astounding. There's a short video on
TwitterX of a side-by-side comparison of the Mate 60 Pro and the iPhone 14 Pro Max, and it's shocking to see just how far Huawei has come.https://twitter.com/CGHuangPingNY/status/1699536953312481688
An actual pocket telescope.
are you fucking kidding me
This is pretty disingenuous. Doesn't it overlay an HD picture of the moon over the actual moon if it detects that you're trying to take a photo of it.
It’s still neat processing nonetheless.
Carl Zha: Made in China-How Huawei defeats US Tech Sanction on China
Carl Zha talks to @TheRedPillDiariesOfficial about how Huawei's latest phone Mate60 Pro defied all expectation to defeat the US tech sanction on China. Why ultimately US tech war on China is self-defeating.
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I want a Huawei phone so badly, but I gotta wait till my contract or whatever is finished and to see if they’re even still available in Canada. I don’t think Trudeau went through with banning them yet.
I don't politically feel one way or another about having a Huawei phone, but I do know that the Mate 20 Pro was the best phone I've ever had. I miss it so much, it got water damage lol
I don't think they are, I was lookin around to see if I could get one and even hueweis website in Canada doesn't acknowledge that they even sell phones. All their other products sure just not phones
Sorry I'm a luddite but why does a cell phone need 12 GB RAM?
At these point phones are just full blown pocket computers. In fact, Ubuntu for Android lets you dock the phone and use it like a desktop https://www.theverge.com/2012/2/21/2812424/ubuntu-for-android-hands-on
I think it would be kind neat if you could just have one device you carry around with you, that way you wouldn't even need an cloud services to sync stuff like calendars or email across devices.
As with desktops, it's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. RAM gets cheaper all the time so developers don't really worry too much about RAM usage. As a result, devices need more RAM if people want multiple things open. Rinse and repeat.
My desktop now has 32GB, because there, 16GB isn't really cutting it anymore. I generally have way more apps open on my phone than my desktop at any given time.
I do Android development at work. My workplace equipped me with a laptop that has 16 GB of RAM. It's not enough to have Android Studio open and run the debugger. ADB segfaults because it runs out of memory. Even when I'm not even doing anything at all, Windows already uses a significant portion of RAM available.
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Now I'm not a computer person so I might not have all the details exactly right. But the moment that Chrome ram usage became uncapped circa 2016 was the moment computers went downhill. There moment immediately before was peak ICT.
I essentially had to scrap my 2010 MacBook Pro, which had worked perfectly up to that point. Even Apple hadn't pulled the plug yet. Every subsequent machine has been relatively more expensive and worse. There seems to be an inverse relationship between the year and price versus the performance.
The specs are getting better no doubt but most websites / software (except Lemmy) are demanding so many more resources, apparently just because they can, that it's all practically unusable. Bear in mind, I mainly use word, PDFs, and online databases (of plain text, word docs, or pdf files). I'm not doing anything that you'd expect to use a lot of ram.
I think more than 10GB and the phones can procreate among themselves. An additional 2GB on top gave the phones a bit of extra zip, and that's how the Mate 60 was born so quickly. Either that or something else. But if it's not this, America's top economists are all out of ideas.
exceptional post!
How you gonna run discord with less than 16GB of RAM??
I have a flipphone so idk how the app performs.
How are you going to run [chromium] with less than 16GB of RAM??
(This isn't a joke. Discord on desktop is basically just Chrome.)
My phone only has 4 GB...
No one writes native apps anymore, everything is a web browser running three gigs of JavaScript to track every scroll and tap you do. Takes a lot of memory.
the maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry
This post had me find this video which I quite enjoyed. Any thoughts from here on this channel? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EjyShMXkRw
Andy Boreham is excellent. I love his stuff. I watch his stuff regularly.
My only criticism of his content, if you can call it criticism, is it's too clean. The man is impeccably well-groomed and professional to a fault. I don't share his content with my liberal friends because these qualities that would usually be considered virtues trigger all their preconceptions about what staged propaganda would look like.
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Let me be the devil's advocate here.
Isn't it using 7nm technology? Isn't that 2018-tech? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Technology_Roadmap_for_Semiconductors)
Is China having the bet tech of six years ago really such a breakthrough?
Not really, if you're looking the actual performance and efficiency numbers. And you have to compare ARM mobile chips with other ARM mobile chips. 7+nm TSMC process was used to make the Snapdragon 865, the flagship processor for 2020 android smartphones. And Huawei's 7nm domestic process comes extremely close to that on efficiency. Huawei's chips are actually slightly more efficient than the Snapdragon 888 and 8 gen 1, which were made on Samsung's 5nm and 4nm process and the flagship processors for the 2021 and 2022 android smartphones (yes, these less efficient than TSMC 7+nm Snapdragon 865 from 2020). Obviously the newer TSMC process that the Snapdragon 8+ gen 1 and 8 gen 2 chips use have much better efficiency.
In terms of single core CPU performance, Huawei is right in between the Snapdragon 865 and 888. And superior to them in multi core performance, as Huawei's Kirin 9000s performance core and big cores are based off of server ARM chips and support hyperthreading. Obviously the 8+ gen 1 and 8 gen 2 are superior in performance.
For Huawei's domestic process to be only 2 to three years behind TSMCs process, the best in the world for ARM chips, is an incredible accomplishment. Especially given all the sanctions.
It absolutely is because they managed to get to this point in only a few years, people were predicting that China would be stuck at 28nm even just a few months ago. Obviously China isn't just going to be sitting still now that they reached 7nm, and they'll likely get to the point where they can make 3nm chips in a few years. Meanwhile, we're reaching the limits of what's possible to do with silicon, and western chip makers are basically hitting that limit already. The way forward after that will be to use a different substrate and it looks like China is making the most progress there as well.
Another thing to note is that majority of chips produced aren't bleeding edge chips. 7nm is good enough for vast majority of applications. As we see with Mate 60, it performs just as well as latest iPhones using the latest and greatest western chips.
Well look at the other contract fabs that could buy EUV scanners if they wanted to.
GlobalFoundries gave up on 7nm so 14/12nm is the best they have. UMC barely makes any 14nm chips so they definitely aren't pursuing anything below 7nm. Getting to 7nm is an investment few can make and it won't pay off for most. The number of fabless chip companies that can afford to design for <7nm and need the leading edge in performance is tiny. A high price of entry to serve so few customers.
SMIC is only the third pure play contract fab to offer <=7nm and Samsung needed EUV to get to 7nm unlike SMIC and TSMC.
Judging by the performance and density of the Kirin 9000S, SMIC's 7nm DUV is at least as good as Samsung's 5nm EUV. The same A510 cores made with SMIC's 7nm are as efficient if not more so than those made with Samsung 4nm.
The previous top Huawei phone, the P60 Pro has the 4G variant of the 8+ Gen 1, which was made with TSMC 4nm. The Mate 60 Pro being technically a downgrade in process node is something few if any of its users will actually notice in practice. Huawei could've easily just made a 5G modem and paired it with an 8 Gen 2. It would've been a lot easier to make a tiny modem yield but they chose the harder option of making an entire SOC. They succeeded in matching if not surpassing the TSMC 5nm made original that stopped being made on September 15, 2020. All the sanctions could do was delay further production of the Kirin 9000 for 3 years.
The latest gen of ryzen the 7000 is using TSMC 5nm on the Compute die and 6nm I/O DIe, and don't forget that intel in 2021 relased their 11th gen of cpu with 14nm
AMD always having the process advantage over Intel and Nvidia but still ending up as the underdog is puzzling.
AMD Zen 2 on 7nm should've destroyed Comet lake on 14nm but it didn't. Rocket Lake faired a lot worse against Zen 3 but it was an iffy 10nm to 14nm port job.
AMD Navi GPUs on 7nm somehow were less efficient than Nvidia's Turing on 12nm(16nm+) while also not having ray tracing or tensor cores. Nvidia were left cocky enough to go for Samsung's discount 8nm the gen after instead of attaining process parity.
It's going to get worse because the gains from each succeeding node diminishes so AMD can no longer count on the gains to make them competitive.
That’s well and good, but let’s see that die art…
Will it be available in Europe?
