Angela Carini abandons Olympic fight after 46 seconds against Imane Khelif
Algerian Imane Khelif moved past Angela Carini when the Italian abandoned their 66kg fight after 46 seconds in the first round on Thursday
It's a bad situation. Women's sports have a problem. But right now it's not a big problem. There are not many individuals who are the outliers. Even imane loses fights.
Does she? First we don't know the indicator that failed the test. If it is an xy chromosome or higher testosterone. For all we know could be a bad test sample. What we do know is she is a woman. How hard would it be to just pay off an official/tester if your competitors are better than you.Secondly this lady has lost to many women with no question they are women. She isn't superior she may have advantageous genes and if we want to put a limit on that well we she should examine if Michael Phelps is to advantageous in his genes.
It seems from what I read that she has this syndrome when a male doesn't develop all male features but female ones. That's why she would have high testosterone and could have other masculine features. Sucks, but absolutely something that should be addressed and already is addressed. Only that it is addressed differently in different leagues.
I think that in case of imame, no competitors issued any complaints before the Olympics even when asked directly, so she should be able to compete.
I love everyone citing the International Boxing Association (IBA), "they tested for XY chromosomes." They did a testosterone test and the IBA President concluded she had XY due to elevated testosterone.
Caster Semenya went through the same stuff but was a woman. Her case is very different but the same. A woman that has elevated testosterone but a medical condition that gives her XY chromosomes.
Instead people should be asking who Umar Kremlev. A Russian that lost his last election but decided "nope, that doesn't count" and still holds office. Damn, who does that sound like? Yes, he has ties to the Kremlin. Can, someone remind me on their stance with alternative lifestyles?
Elevated testosterone in females is not uncommon. Just like everything else, it is complicated.
Boxing in general is stupid as hell. I feel empathy for both parties here.
What’s the problem with boxing?
Are you talking about the sport itself, or all the BS that goes on around it?
I'm just not into the violence of it. I'm also a hypocrite who still watches football, so don't mind me.
I'm just waiting for demands for the 4k vagina video so everyone can judge for themselves whether or not she's a real woman with a real vagina.
She’s not a regular woman, she’s a freak of a woman. Most those athletes are freaks amongst regular people, she’s just not a freak in the same way most of them are.
Holy fuck... do you call people with dwarfism or people with missing arms freaks too? Like they belong in a circus?
IMO there should be two categories:
Current testosterone levels are not the only part of it that needs to be looked at. We as a species have sexual dimorphism. Sure it isn't to the same effect as some other animals such as many insects, but it is enough to make it unfair for a woman to compete against somebody who went through puberty as a male. Especially in combat sports.
but it is enough to make it unfair for a woman to compete against somebody who went through puberty as a male.
We have no idea if that is true about Khelif.
I swear. More people need to know about Swyer Syndrome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis
Khelif may not have even known she had a Y chromosome until that test. She may have just thought she had very "masculine" features for a woman.
Why does there need to be a global rule for all sports? Just let all the sports associates decide for themselves, case by case. It's not a big issue and doesn't deserve international news coverage.
Would you reconsider your rule when the champion of every single weight division in your "one with the average testosterone content that most women have, but open to anyone that is eligible" category is a mtf trans person?
I personally don't think it should be controversial to give people born as women some of their own spaces, especially when it simply comes down to a question of fairness.
Khelif was assigned female at birth, has lived her entire life as a woman, has a passport that lists her as a woman from a country that has no trans rights.
If this had happened in the 1904 St Louis Olympics, when women's boxing was first an Olympic sport, nobody would have batted an eyelid. This is just right wing moral panic.
Sports where physical strenght and constitution are more important than technique will always be dominated by people with a better genetic pool.
I'm without any doubt "genetically inferior" when compared to Usain Bolt: even if I started training when I was 3 years old, I couldn't even imagine to get nowhere near his level because nature decided to screw up my knees while he was born a fucking sprinting machine.
Sorry darling, suck it up and take the L or change sport.
If testosterone is a PED and it doesn't matter if the athlete is cis or not, then there should be a hard limit for both male and female athletes to ensure fairness. If too much testosterone is only a problem for women then clearly it's a sexist attempt to police women's bodies.
Every human body produces some amount of testosterone, either too much is an unfair advantage or it isn't.
Are you proposing mandatory testosterone blockers for all Olympic athletes?
There should be a trans league.