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Bulletins and News Discussion from May 6th to May 12th, 2024 - The Nagorno-Karabakh Nosedive - COTW: Armenia

Image is of Stepanakert, essentially the capital of Nagorno-Karabakh. It is now a ghost city, and Azerbaijan has recently torn down the parliament building and various other important places. Sourced from this article.


Despite the predictions and assertions of various NATO-aligned commentators that Russia's influence is waning, the opposite generally appears to be occurring. ASEAN has become more strongly aligned with Russia despite claims to the contrary. In Central Asia, there has been a propaganda push to declare that countries there are "emerging from Russia's shadow", while in reality, as Bhadrakumar analyzes, Russia's significant economic growth and ongoing march towards victory in Ukraine is creating opportunities for further integration, not separation, and there are no major political shifts there in terms of Russian ties. And in Niger, Russian soldiers have now entered an airbase which once hosted American soldiers, now kicked out, and generally Russia's diplomacy and economic deals (nuclear power plant construction, military equipment, grain shipments, etc) have accelerated in Africa.

Where Russia's influence has actually seemed to decrease (outside of the West, of course) is in Armenia. Nagorno-Karabakh's remarkably rapid collapse in late 2023 demonstrated that Russia was not willing to escalate things in defense of Armenia to fend off Azerbaijan. One hundred thousand Armenians - most but not all of them in the region - fled in advance to avoid mass persecution, which received remarkably little attention by a West which calls itself overwhelmingly concerned with borders changing due to military action as in Ukraine. Since then, Armenia seems to be on some kind of self-annihilating bender, allured by the potential of Western military and economic deals. Armenia froze its membership in the CSTO due to its failure to protect them, and the head of NATO, Stoltenberg, visited the region in March. The West has offered up hundreds of millions of dollars in assistance to Armenia and is helping them "modernize their military"; given the poor track record of Western military equipment in Ukraine, one wonders why they're even bothering. RAND has advocated for a balancing act; America should, in their eyes, realize that they can't entirely remove Russia's influence but nonetheless should make inroads to protect Armenia from Azerbaijan (which is an interesting position given that Israel provided arms to Azerbaijan to help them take Nagorno-Karabakh).

A quick look at Armenia's geographical position reveals the folly of trying to create some kind of Western outpost. With a hostile Azerbaijan to their east, a very unfriendly (albeit NATO member) Turkiye to their west, an ascendant Iran to their south, and Russia not far from the action, there is little hope of doing much more than causing a little chaos in the hopes it'll momentarily distract Russia while it makes inroads most everywhere else on the planet. The political situation appears miserable for Pashinyan, but there isn't really a popular alternative to take the reins. A truly cursed situation.


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Israel-Palestine Conflict

If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.

Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.

Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Sources:

Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful. Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hmong_people

    Before the 1970s, the term Miao or Meo (meaning "cats", "barbarians", and even "Sons of the Soil") was used in reference to the Hmong. In the 1970s, Dr. Yang Dao, a Hmong American scholar from Laos, advocated for the term "Hmong" with the support of clan leaders and General Vang Pao.[12][13] Yang Dao had insisted that the terms "Meo" and "Miao" were both unacceptable as his people had always called themselves by the name "Hmong," which he defined as "free men."[14] Surrounding countries began to use the term "Hmong" after the US Department of State used it during Immigration screening in Thailand's Ban Vinai Refugee Camp.[15] In 1994, Pobzeb Vang registered the term "Hmong" with the United Nations, making it the proper term to identify the Hmong people internationally.[16]

    Soon after, there was a political push from Hmong American politicians and activists to replace the term Miao with the term Hmong in China with little to no success. To date, China is the only country that doesn't recognize the term Hmong. Rather, they are still categorized under the umbrella term Miáo (苗) along with three other indigenous groups of people by the government since 1949. Historically, the term Miao carried strong pejorative connotations in both China and Southeast Asia. In modern times, however, it has lost such negative connotations in China and has since been officially recognized as an ethnicity, which includes the Hmong. The Hmong in China are often happy or proud to be known as Miao while many Hmong outside China find it offensive.[17][18]

    Anyone know much about the Hmong vs Miao thing? It seems like it's being used as a shibboleth by western imperialism and outside agitators to me, if the population of Miao people in China itself are happy with the term and it has lost negative connotations then the attempt to call it problematic from outside the country is an attempt at agitation that nobody wants.

    I raise this in relation to the Myanmar situation. If I were the west and I got control of Myanmar and wanted to use it to cause trouble for China I would be doing it via agitation of this ethnic group in the Yunnan province next door:

    • If you are talking to Hmong activists in the U.S. (which there are many since the elites of the ethnic group are fully embedded into the state-sponsored anti-communist NGO complex, I have some very fun stories about them but it would doxx me so I won't share), it is basically the equivalent of the 'N-word'. If you talk to your average Hmong worker or dirtbag they literally couldn't care less, hell, some don't even know it's a thing. I have absolutely no idea what the attitude inside Laos towards it is.

      • If you are talking to Hmong activists in the U.S. (which there are many since the elites of the ethnic group are fully embedded into the state-sponsored anti-communist NGO complex, I have some very fun stories about them but it would doxx me so I won't share), it is basically the equivalent of the 'N-word'.

        Yeah this is kinda what I thought was going to be the case. Do they actually believe this or have they embellished it because of their anti-communist status?

        I have absolutely no idea what the attitude inside Laos towards it is.

        The above is Yunnan province in China.

        • I have less of an idea of Yunnan.

          I believe the current generation of activists believes it, regardless of actual historical fact, which seems pretty limited in that regard. I haven't had the pleasure of actually talking to someone over the age of 60 about it though, and even then, most of the Hmong of that age that I have talked to speak very little English, and are not active in the org scene.

          Part of the problem is that while many of the activists I knew were operating in good faith, the heads of the organizations (who are pretty much all, upon investigation, upper crust members who had ties to U.S. intelligence) are essentially politicians and opportunists always angling for a personal gain outside the org mission statement. Maybe they believe it, maybe they don't, but they would play fast and loose with the truth for regular inter-organziational conflicts so I doubt they particularly care about deeper historical truth.

    • I suspect it's along similar lines as US natives. There are still government agencies like the Department of Indian Affairs, but what actual Native Americans prefer to be called varies from person to person - usually whatever group they belong to, so Cherokee/Cree/whatever. I know there are boomers that prefer to just be called Indians by white people because they find terms like Native American patronizing.
      The Hmong people I have known just called themselves Hmong, so that's what I use.

      • With this there's a difference of 1500+ years history of the term though so it seems a little harder to nail down whether there's really anything wrong with "Miao" now if 3.5million of them are all using it to refer to themselves within China and it's the official term used on government records. Hmong seems to only have started existing when members of this group left the region because of communism. It seems like a term these Gusano-lites created entirely to agitate with. Like... It's origin is entirely in foreign nationals that fled communism deciding to call themselves it because communism made them flee the various countries they were in.

        • I’ve never heard anyone in China use Miao negatively but I didn’t live there that long (and it was mostly when I was a kid). It was just the name they called the ethnic group. Most Chinese people probably think of them in terms of tourism / a cultural curiosity, which is problematic for sure but not the same level of pejorative. I could be off the mark here idk

    • Anyone know much about the Hmong vs Miao thing? It seems like it's being used as a shibboleth by western imperialism and outside agitators to me, if the population of Miao people in China itself are happy with the term and it has lost negative connotations then the attempt to call it problematic from outside the country is an attempt at agitation that nobody wants.

      I know Vietnam uses H'mong. China is not going to use Hmong because foreign words go through transliteration. The IPA for Hmong is m̥oŋ˦˧ apparently, which is similar to Mandarin meng4, but PRC transliteration tries to preserve spelling instead of pronunciation, so it would probably be something shitty like hamonege.

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