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I don't understand where this narrative that Gen Z is sexless comes from. I'm not Gen Z, but like... a song about "wet ass pussy" came out at a time when no one could really go to clubs and it was still a huge hit. The video was so sexual that Ben Shapiro described his wife's pussy as bone dry to discredit the video's legitimacy. People still like tits. People still like ass. People still like dong.
They were asked to stop harassing and dog whistling every woman they see and they chose to interpret that as "zoomers hate sex" instead of "quit being an asshole" because they are incapable of self reflection.
https://www.scholarsandstorytellers.com/css-teens-and-screens-2023
Nawh it's backed by actual data and polling trends, younger generations are becoming increasingly sex negative and puritanical in their outlooks - they demand further disneyfication of culture and removal of not only sex but romance. Mormon-brain is taking over, the only sex you should ever need is 5 minutes a day on some degrading tube site that you deny doing.
There's a docu called, "communists have better sex", that talks about how in east germany, even though sex was less talked about in the media, and pornography was strictly banned (unlike in west germany, which created a booming porn industry), ppl generally had more sex in the east, women initiated more divorces, and had much richer sex lives.
There's also a lot of statistical trends about how ppl nowadays are having A LOT less sex than they did when they first started doing sex research in the 50s I think.
It has nothing to do with generational puritanical attitudes, or how much sex is represented in the public sphere, and more to do with late stage capitalism removing all our public/community spaces, and encouraging ppl to stay in our little cages at home, venturing out only as a consumer.
Couldn't have said it better myself
gen z's not sexless, i think the rate of virginity in young people is just significantly higher than the past. like there's a study from 2015 saying "40% of college students are virgins" and it's gotta be even higher now
i think it's mostly young people being shy, alienated, and/or averse to hookup culture and the commodification of sex. like i'm a sophomore and got it with someone i really liked, but rn am giving dating a break until i have the schedule and mental availability for it. fucking someone at a party or from the swipe of an app just seems kind of depressing.
from my experience gen z is simultaneously pretty sex positive and virginity positive. people don't really slut shame, and you're not an outcast for not getting laid (was it embarrassing to be a 20 year old virgin in like the 90s/00s?). WAP is just a good example of us not being prudish tbh, people saw it as fun or funny and it was a tiktok dance trend
gen z is simultaneously pretty sex positive and virginity positive
Boomers:
"Women who sleep around and wear crop tops and short shorts are wh*res with no self-respect, your body is a temple"
"Young people today are sexless losers who spend all day their phone, when I was in high school half my class got drunk and gave each other chlamydia"
was it embarrassing to be a 20 year old virgin in like the 90s/00s?
Extremely. But also I think it was more common than people would have assumed
My mom always complains about how the media pushes sex on kids nowadays, forgetting all those teen movies and TV shows from her generation (genX) that depicted sex as a high school rite of passage, and virgins as pariahs and losers.
There are lots of stories nowadays about young people being scared shitless of having kids and there's one way to be sure that doesn't happen. That could be a factor, too. Particularly for those for whom college is barely affordable. That expense makes it difficult to go out much at all, nevermind dates. TV and culture hasn't changed that much for gen z, which still says that you have to spend money/have a car/live on your own to be worthy of dating.
i definitely understand the narrative when it comes to young people's views on sex in popular culture, where gen z people polled were extremely sex negative. They didn't want any sex in movies whatsoever, they didn't want any sex in TV or music whatsoever. There are in practice more sex negative than the Hays code, rivaling Victorian era purity policing and moral panics.
I think this has to do with them being raised on internet porn, and thus conflating degrading/exploitative porn and sex. Porn has poisoned all of sexuality and made it all bad, hence why it needs to be removed from the "good" part of their lives (the public superego facing portion that consumes and discusses media). They don't want to be reminded of their "sinful" life fapping while out and about because when you aren't in the mood for it that hardcore degrading stuff is unsettling. Hard to blame the generation for disliking sex when what "sex" has become in 2024 is pornhub front page incest/fetishist shit.
It could also be that sex in movies/shows is borderline porn, added for no apparent reason.
Nope that’s porn brain
How so?
"All sex is porn" is a symptom of porn brain. All sex is not porn. This is an extremely sex negative outlook fueled by shame and sex being bad. It's the exact same outlook that repressed sex freak victorians and puritans publicly espoused, that any type of sex in the public sphere is "pornographic" and obscene.
Sex isn't always obscene, it can be natural and beautiful and hot and weird and awkward and fun and emotionally rewarding. Porn is obscene because it's transphobic, violent, racist, sexist, exploitative and filled with addiction and abuse. The knee jerk tendency to feel that all sex is obscene is due to overconsumption of porn leading to believing all sex is poison. It's a dialectical spiral where the more they believe sex is bad and evil, the more they try to purge it from their respectable public-facing life, the more it bubbles up as violent and abusive when they do have sex/masturbate in the shadows, they then feel shame afterwards once the libidinal urges die down, thus re-affirming their view that all sex is tainted and evil. You are feeding into this cycle when you say shit like "Any depiction of sex in art in public is basically pornography and serves no purpose, better to remove all sex from the acceptable public sphere. We have porn for that anyways".
Part of this dialectical relationship is the more vigorously they are anti-sex and puritanical in public, the stronger the taboo and appeal of breaking those rules becomes. The freakiest and most abusive sex perverts are almost always uptight puritans in public, and it's not just projection or a cover-up strategy to blend in - although it has those functions too, they actually are coding their brain into getting off on violence and abuse by being so puritanical and creating the taboo they can later break. They are building up the tension to release during orgasm.
The only way out and back to a healthy non-abusive mindset around sex is a widespread public acceptance of non-obscene sex. A much more relaxed and non-chalant attitude where sex isn't viewed as evil but as a natural biological act and and an act of eros and connection between two (or more) people. Porn will also have to be tightly censored and monitored to ween people off the sugar-hit addiction to violent abuse. Porn could be healthy theoretically in a different world, but not in this current one where it's injected with all the bigotries of our world heightened to an exaggerated extreme.
I see. That's a good comment in general. But it does make a lot of assumptions and it misquotes me. Maybe I could've said it more subtly. I'm talking about the stuff that is essentially porn smuggled into shows for no clear narrative reason, which seems to be the bulk of it.
It's not porn brain to not want gratuitous sex in media it doesn't belong in, nor overly graphic depictions even where it has a narrative function, often involving characters who are supposed to be children.
I've not considered this in any depth but it seems necessary to also consider the dialectic between art and porn and between art and a society in which the porn that you describe is ubiquitous. I don't see how we would get the TV sex scenes that we get if the porn industry did not exist. TV sex isn't generally selling sex as a beautiful part of healthy relationships.
I think I completely agree with the need to change the way sex is dealt with/treated/spoken about in public. But that's what I'm saying: so much of sex on TV is doing the opposite. I can't see how we can resolve this without abolishing the commodity form. Until then, I'm going to complain about the symptom because the symptom is repackaging and normalising porn as art.
I can understand why gen z when polled, if it wants the healthy sex thing that you're talking about (to the extent that a generation can want anything), would utterly reject depictions of sex in film, TV, etc. Sex on screen is often obscene; the option for the 'healthy' version isn't offered under capitalism. Those depictions are so far from positively contributing to a public discussion that they are, in a way, simply porn or, Zizek voice, pure ideology.
I didn’t mean that as a quote of you, I should have used ‘paraphrase’ instead of “quote” as it’s a sentiment I’ve seen expressed on Hexbear quite often.
Don’t you see how attacking the existence of sex in public entertainment and art feeds into the puritanical sex freak spiral and doesn’t help us in any way? Sex scenes don’t all have to “forward the narrative” that’s plebeian Reddit tier art analysis I’m sorry, the narrative and plot aren’t even the most important part of a work. Sex scenes could be entirely gratuitous to the narrative and still add to the overall aesthetic and emotional impact of the piece, we use gratuitous slice-of-life and characterization footage all the time in our art and separating gratuitous sex out as “bad” is a double standard we don’t do with gratuitous eye candy scenes of other types like say, Wes Anderson’s gratuitous use of 2D dollhouse cutout type effects. That doesn’t “add to the narrative” either but is an essential part of what makes his work unique and his.
I see sex scenes like guitar solos in rock songs. You can have one or two, and some are a lot better than others, but if you spend the whole song doing a solo without a melody it’s just wankery and becomes obscene. Guitar solos are just gratuitous ear candy. The “melody” here is analogous to the “narrative” of a film or TV show.
Gratuitous sex is exactly the kind of thing that shouldn’t even make you blink, it’s the kind of thing we should be aiming to normalize. The fact you find it offensive and want it gone is proving my point, you find sexual gratification offputting inherently due to cultural conditioning. Sexual gratification and titillation is fine and healthy, there’s nothing wrong with being aroused. Tons of gratuitous sex in our media is perfectly fine and not a problem, and in my opinion American society is over correcting in the opposite way and needs to loosen up here not tighten the screws.
I don't want to be pedantic but 'narrative function' is not the same as 'forward the narrative'. Adding to a piece's emotional impact, developing a character's arc, 'worldbuilding', etc, count as having a narrative function.
The sex in Sky Rojo or the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (I'm thinking of the original movies) or in Sally Rooney's novel Normal People (I've not seen the adaptation)? Fine. Great, even. I don't even mind some of it in coming of age or slice of life if it's done right and doesn't sexualise children.
The sex in Elite or Seven Deadly Sins? There's so much of it that there wouldn't be a story to salvage if you took it out. The orgy scenes in White Lines? Purely gratuitous and lazy way of portraying the decadence of rich people.
I understand the quote thing. You're still making assumptions, about me and others, I think. I'm not sure if I had it in mind or whether I count it in the same category, but I also don't appreciate gratitous 'eye candy'. Sometimes it works. Often it's crass and feeds into problematic stereotypes, etc.
Don’t you see how attacking the existence of sex in public entertainment and art feeds into the puritanical sex freak spiral and doesn’t help us in any way?
Possibly, but I'm not sure that I am making that attack.
Gen Z has upheld their volcel oaths like none other. o7
No generation is hornier than any others, but ten minutes on the horny side of Twitter will show that Gen Z is not sexless. They're just more isolated and alienated than those that came before them and somewhat less likely to be doing it in person.