Bernie Sanders Calls for ‘NO MORE’ U.S. Funding For Netanyahu’s ‘Illegal, Immoral, Brutal, and Grossly Disproportionate War’ in Gaza
Bernie Sanders Calls for ‘NO MORE’ U.S. Funding For Netanyahu’s ‘Illegal, Immoral, Brutal, and Grossly Disproportionate War’ in Gaza
The Vermont senator’s office released a full statement, saying, “The issue we face with Israel-Gaza is not complicated."
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Military industrial complex goes BRRRRRRR while the oligarchy distracts you with yet another "most important election of your life" — forcing you to choose between fascist dystopia or neoliberal dystopia instead of ... actually improving the planet and society for future generations.
ok but, trump actually directly said he plans on being a dictator... it's really the most important election in much of american history...
Just because Biden is the lesser evil (and he most certainly is. By far) doesn't mean that he should be allowed to be an evil.
He's supposed to represent the interests of every American who isn't a fascist, not a foreign government that IS fascist.
Agreed. What does that change? I’m still voting for Biden.
There aren’t any perfect choices in life, all choices of consequence have downsides. Sometimes it’s choosing harm reduction. The man has a solid record of progress with climate legislation, pardoning marijuana possession charges, limiting insulin prices and more.
Could he do better? Hell yeah. But I’m an adult in a democracy and I understand that a vote is a tool, not a moral stance. I can apply that tool in the most effective way by voting for a lesser evil.
I also have other tools at my disposal, like money. So I give my money to groups like FairVote that supports Ranked Choice Voting so that, long after the 2024 election, we can vote for candidates instead of against them.
But I’m not boycotting the system we have unless someone can convince me that Trump will see a lack of voter turnout as a lack of mandate to implement his anti-Democratic, thuggish, racist, sexist plans.
What does that change? I’m still voting for Biden.
What does holding your president accountable rather than just automatically voting for him, not demanding anything of him? Are you really asking what change setting the bar higher than "not an utterly deranged lifelong con man fascist who hates democracy" could bring? 🤦
The man has a solid record of progress with climate legislation
False. The big infrastructure bill they're claiming saved the planet included huge giveaways to the fossil fuel industry and LIMITING of new renewable energy projects.
pardoning marijuana possession charges
A miniscule impact compared to having the DEA to reschedule cannabis, so that others don't end up in the exact same situation. He could end the problem but chooses not to.
limiting insulin prices
To a cost that's still too high for most diabetics to comfortably afford. On the advice of PHRMA.
Could he do better? Hell yeah.
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But I’m an adult
Having no ideals isn't being an adult. It's being a spineless cynic.
a vote is a tool, not a moral stance
It has to be both or you'll continue having only corrupt and otherwise immoral presidents.
voting for a lesser evil.
Nobody said not to. You can vote for someone and still hold them accountable for their words and actions. In fact, you should NEVER do the former without the latter. That's how the corrupt get comfortable enough to fuck you and others over with no fear of consequences.
So I give my money to groups like FairVote that supports Ranked Choice Voting
THAT I support. Now, if only you could give to other organizations that hold those CURRENTLY in power or about to be in power too. Perhaps spread the same amount you currently give amongst several orgs?
long after the 2024 election
Therein lies the rub. You want the barn door closed, but not before all of the current horses have already bolted. You also don't want the horses to have any reins or saddles.
I’m not boycotting the system we have
Again, nobody's told you to. It's not a binary where you can only choose unquestioning obedience and loyalty without accountability or not voting.
I agree with you 100% but boy howdy, you're, bluntly, a terrible communicator this morning. Just dropping here arguing with your own demons. Neither you nor the other person are on the same topic. They're only seeing up to the election.
You're rightly looking further and calling for people to hold the fire under their Representatives so the shittery and evil can be burned out of them, specially as the fire is turned up as time goes on, not lowered.
That makes the world a better place, but no one hears your message when you call them spineless cynics for their ignorance (of your point, the only thing you have in evidence).
Seriously, read yours and their responses again. They're looking at the base of the hill and arguing. You're looking at the horizon and arguing something else. Maybe direct their gaze to the goal instead alongside the crushing of all their held opinions?
As one of the participants in the conversation, thanks for pointing that out. I see that I am being shortsighted and reading a meaning into the comments that may not be there. My vision shortsighted in an election year, a time to influence votes and non-votes, and this particular election year is a dire one.
So I cast my gaze as far as November, after which I either go back to the work of citizenry or the work of planning to flee the country.
I can’t deal with the world after January 20, 2025 until after the votes are counted. It’s easier for me to see further up the hill if I know the person I’m talking to isn’t encouraging people to sit out the election, because that is the source of my biggest anxiety right now.
What will my kids’ future be? I hope it will be egalitarian, where people are freed from the chains of capitalism to have their needs met and allow them to reach their full potential as humans. One where humans live sustainably in the natural and social environments. That won’t be on the ballot in November, but a vote for Trump would likely mean that future won’t happen in my kids’ lifetimes.
On the one hand, I see what you mean.
On the other, I didn't at any point say anything that wasn't true and it's not my responsibility to patiently teach them how not to be a short-sighted sycophant. Even if I wanted to, that would almost certainly not be possible for me to do during the course of one written conversation
I'm rightfully fed up with condescending idiots pretending that a lack of principles equals great maturity and shaming them is the closest thing to achieving something constructive when dealing with avoved anti-idealist cynics like this one.
Entrenched anti-idealist tribalists can't be reasoned with, but vehemently pointing out how idiotic their perspective is might jolt someone tempted to adopt a similar attitude awake.
I would ask you to step back and honestly consider if your words would be persuasive to an uninvolved observer
Sometimes choices aren't fair and even the objectively best decision can have poor outcomes. Biden over Trump, there is no question. If we fight now and Trump or one of his lackeys gets into the chair it isn't likely to end well. Nevermind wars elsewhere, we are hovering dangerously close to something dangerous here in the US. The best course of action is coming together to make sure every Republican possible is not elected, Biden or another non-GOP candidate is made POTUS, and from there carry the momentum into placing real pressure on the government while continuing to systematically knocking out local elections.
We tend to do this as a whole: Get distracted, time passes and we mostly forget about some crisis or another we were supposed to be all-in on, something vital slips past us, we realize it too late. Rinse repeat. What they count on is us arguing over the rights/wrongs as we always do, and for the loudest amongst us to drown out those trying to pull everyone else back in by doing things like, "THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT [insert major topic here]" and working to socially isolate.
Conflicts like in Ukraine and Gaza are horrendous. Yet we here in the US are at that point where either we step up and work to fix things here, or we risk a future where other countries report on atrocities committed inside our borders, by our government. Maybe a distant future and yet I can't help but see that dim path ahead.
Sometimes choices aren’t fair and even the objectively best decision can have poor outcomes.
So basically every election ever.
And if future candidates make the same threat, will your analysis change?
Do you think it's just a threat with Trump?
Well we have no reason to think they wouldn't and this is a weird question so... What are you attempting to get at?
if they did and somehow were polling ok, i would also be rather afraid.
Fossil fuel industry too, since there's a shitload of natural gas off the coast of Gaza.