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What??? For realsies???
This is the "ad". Personally, I don't think a little plug like this is worth any kind of fuss. If it were a real ad or something, then yea I would get it.
An ad is an ad and this definitely is an ad. This is the kind of shit that made me quit Windows and it would make me quit Ubuntu if I was using it.
This. Any unsollicited communication that's meant to make you investigate or buy a commercial product is an advertisement. That's all. Is it less intrusive than the TikTok ad in Windows start menu, I think it may be, but it's still an advertisement, by definition.
Is it less intrusive
For me it is, I would've never ever expected an ad on cli, on a local install, on my machine.
Logged into an ec2 and see an advert? Sure. But not on my own shit. It's a true "ah fuck I can't believe you've done this" factor.
Ubuntu Pro seems to be free for regular users (on up to five machines).
Would bother me a lot more if it wasn't a free service. Now it's ehh
As I mentioned in another comment, it's still a commercial offering, that happens to have a free tier. Would we be okay with a YouTube link in the same spot?
Honestly, it doesn't bother me that much. It's more that you can see a more and more corporate-y trend in Canonical's decision making, which I personally don't really care for. If I used Ubuntu with the default shell I'd probably just override the MOTD and go on with my life.
Would we be okay with a YouTube link in the same spot?
Like, promoting Youtube or just a link to a Youtube video promoting Ubuntu Pro or what do you mean?
A link promoting any other commercial product with a free tier. Like AWS, or YouTube.
I wouldn't be really bothered if Google promoted Youtube in their product. I'd expect it, really.
I think this is the best take. This alone if it went nowhere is fairly harmless.
But I think we know what it really is, is the start of a slippery slope.
Different strokes and all that. I'm personally ok with the way this is done, but I can also see why people wouldn't like it at all
I use Ubuntu and I haven’t seen ads in the terminal.
But I see everyone complaining about them.
What am I missing here?
There is a caveat that this a service you're using for free and is an ad before you've made a purchase. A Windows ad that keeps pushing you down the rabbit hole of system dependence is entirely different than Canonical offering you additional tools to support development.
I'm newer to linux, and kind of a moron, but I 1) bounced off Ubuntu and 2) haven't seen this crap with Debian.
While I'm not bothered by this in particular, like other people have said, it feels like the top of a very slippery slope that I would be bothered by
That's pretty much how I feel about it. This specific method is alright by me, but it could very easily become something intrusive.
It is a real ad though...
Technically, but it's coming from the same servers your packages are being downloaded from, right?
I don't think that's from a server but instead it's baked into apt. Or some post-install trigger.
Post-install trigger was my guess.. I used to have to build .rpm's unfortunately but no apt experience yet.
this plus the snap crap they've been doing was enough for me to switch to Debian
I went through the entire cycle.
- Ubuntu
- Pop_OS!
- Mint
- Manjaro
- Arch
- Fedora
And finally I’m at Debian.
You missed Slackware
And he still hasn't arrived at Gentoo.
He's still compiling
Did you just tell us that you did in fact use Arch?
I've been getting ads like these for years on my ubuntu server.
n additional security updates can be applied with ESM Apps. Learn more about enabling ESM Apps service at https://ubuntu.com/esmThis is on a machine running 20.04. Never bothered me. All my other machines are Debian now, and at some point I'll switch that one too.
Yeah, plus given you can get pro for free it really seems more like a announcement than an ad. Slippery slope though.
What's an ad if not a commercial announcement?
I guess it doesn't seem as much of an ad if it's something free they're promoting. As it would be for most users.
It's a commercial offering with a free tier.
Yes and most users would be in the free tier
So it's still an ad to a product, or it's not?
I guess it doesn't seem as much of an ad if it's something free they're promoting. As it would be for most users.
Yeah, this isn't that bad. It's just a suggestion after running an apt upgrade. NPM has similar plugs which I don't find too annoying.
In fact its not even as intrusive as NPM's funding requests, as it is only 2 lines of text, plus it looks like Ubuntu Pro is free for personal use.
I agree that I wouldnt call that an ad, but it's a pretty distasteful plug
This is not what I would consider an ad. I also remember seeing it only once
I mean.. It is literally an ad. I don't see how you could not consider it one. You could claim it doesn't bother you or isn't too intrusive or something, but it most certainly is an ad.
I agree that it's not a very intrusive ad
I see a lot of people comment that this isn’t that bad and that it might even be acceptable, and that’s exactly the problem here: it’s a gateway drug and if we normalise this, Canonical will keep pushing the limits of what they can pull off before it’s not acceptable anymore, and that sounds when it’s too late.
I have never seen this ever
Haven't kept up with Ubuntu, but I believe this. It's in line with Canonical's behavior. They are very corporaty
Kind of, they have announcements in the terminal sometimes and telemetry wont go out unless you confirm you want it to. I personally have it disabled, but its not invasive.