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Ask them how the Uyghurs in China are doing.
Their answer from my last interaction:
-western propaganda
-uyghurs themselves love it
-not forced labour but a vocational school the government put these people under
-amnesty and UN is lying and unreliable
-only reliable source is the blogpost they linked
-it's all anti terrorism effort
-western propaganda
When I brought it up he just said "devoid of context" and stopped replying.
The more consistent take I see simply poses the ugyur genocide falls under a similar definition that includes ongoing genocide of black americans, which tends to meet a lot of resistance.
But much more than that: what I see is issue being taken (usually at the media), with comparing Xinjiang to something like Gaza, while often also denying Israel is committing a genocide.
Don't worry bro, China is only treating them as bad as the US treats black people.
It's such odd double speak. Is China treating them terribly or are you saying that Black Americans are doing just fine?
Or the genocide of indigenous peoples in North America, which alsi receives "resistance", of a somewhat apopleptic fashion.
The Uyghur part I read was they deserve it because it is mostly criminals.
That just happens when you criminalize being a minority.
Specific criminals were arrested. A lot of investment from CCP in education and job creation. Genocide is a political declaration devoid of factual bases.
Specific criminals were arrested. A lot of investment from Israeli government in education and job creation. Genocide is a political declaration devoid of factual bases.
Same story, different genocide.
Oh wait. There is a difference. Hardly anyone denies genocide in Gaza despite tankies drumming out libtards deny it meme like there is no tomorrow.
Western propaganda media bends itself backwards reporting the genocide as no Israeli fault/nothing much is going on but it is baaaad. Protests in the streets, actual people are outraged.
People UNDERSTAND they are being lied to.
Yet CCP shits out one propaganda piece on Uyghur and tankies will do mental Olimpics to forgo ANY and ALL evidence to the contrary.
Because anti-western. Therefore no genocide.
Hardly anyone on Lemmy maybe. The general public has plenty of apologists.
Xinxiang handled completely different than Gaza, and in fact could be the most historically humanitarian response/resolution to terrorism/terrorists.
Don't tell me facts
Grains of truth in each point.
Which is a give away sign of anti-western propaganda. China, russia and the likes.
NOOOOOOO THATS FAKE NEWS THERE HAVE NEVER BEEN CONFIRMED REPORTS OF ANYTHING SOMETHING SOMETHING THEY'RE ALL HAPPY AND THE ONES WHO DIED ALL DESERVED IT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Ummm actually if you look at this CCP-approved news source, they say it's logistically impossible to commit a genocide against that many people without anyone noticing soooo
Just think of all those organs not being harvested!
Their answer is always “something-something western propaganda have you ever seen the camps first-hand you’re swallowing propaganda they’re not real CCP is going to solve global warming with fusion energy”
I got banned from some community or other for laughing at that last part. Not a joke, apparently.
have you ever seen the camps first-hand
Right wingers say the same about the Holocaust camps...
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Please dont get me wrong here, I'm not defending the CCPs treatment of the Ulghurs, at all, and it does fit the broad definition of genocide, but it is not the same as the Holocaust death camps.
The camps in China are much more akin to the "Indian schools" that the US sent native Americans to in an attempt to get them to forget their culture and "civilize" them. Also, maybe a bit of the Japanese interment camp experience from the US in WWII.
It's still disgusting and needs to be called out, don't get me wrong, but its not quite the same as literal death camps, or the ongoing genocide in Gaza.
I know.
The point I'm trying to make is that the idea of "If you didn't see it with your eyes, in person, then its fake" is not really a good argument that the tankies frequently use, since thats the same argument used by the far-right.
You most definitely have not seen camps first hand. Some agitator made videos of buildings, and training centers where people's right answer to tests was equivalent to US pledge of allegiance. Some women who've had 6 children already were sterilized. Uyghurs have always been exempt from one child policy.
Complete disgrace to consider China's actions as genocide when so much worse in the world is not.
You most definitely have not seen the camps firsthand.
lol see? Just as I said
Very prosperous region with a lot of job creation.