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Always remember what really happened with the McDonald's lady who sued because her "coffee was too hot".
McDonald's themselves started the campaign that the issue was laughable, and seeded the notion that it's ridiculous, how could she not know coffee hot?
What really happened was that the coffee was:
- Served well above safe ranges to maximize profits, so the coffee could be served longer
- Was served near boiling temperature
- Was so hot that it FUSED HER LABIA requiring extensive surgery to repair.
She sued only for her hospital bills.
They started a smear campaign against her to convince the public that she was a moron and she just wanted a payday.
Don't trust corporations. Ever.
Not to mention they were warned many times before about serving coffee that's too hot. The woman got such a huge settlement because the judge was tired of McDonald's crap
Also they calculated the cost of lawsuits like that and decided they would make more money selling it that hot than they would lose in lawsuits over how hot the coffee was.
What's that old quote? "A lie can make it around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes", or something like that? I believe that was pre-internet too.
It also happens with politics. I constantly see provocative headlines get lots of attention in one circle, and then the later corrections only get passed around in the opposite circle, if at all.
Look at just yesterday. One clickbait site said Beyonce was going to perform at the dnc, and by the time the truth and correction made it around it was already past time
We desperately need a return of journalistic ethics and bland, just-the-facts news.
This is why in prefer NPR and BBC
I wouldn't call those the most reliable. Better than some
What’s more reliable than NPR?
Nothing is reliable that's the problem. NPR is a propaganda machine. There are worse ones to be far
Critical thinking and media literacy. Just 2 days ago I heard NPR try to gaslight me that Gaza wasn’t a genocide.
I'm so sick of these bloodthirty zionist bastards running everything
Plus those corrections only show up as a footnote on articles without it being altered or removed. Its laughable.
That's weird. Ideally you should put it right next to the title, that there has been an addendum and the following might be incorrect/outdated.
That depends on what your goal is, I think
I'd consider the goal be to:
- Keep the original article for historical and reference purposes
- Make sure that anyone who only cared to read the first sentence, didn't leave with confident misinformation.
Your goals are too honest for mass media 😅
Its even worse in science. Lots of crazy headlines that are later debunked quietly
those headlines can also be debunked loudly and yet, anti-vaxxers still exist, somehow
I wasn't talking about vaccinations. I was talking about fusion and other buzzy topics.
Generally that's news media misconstruing science.
Which directly impacts funding
That's the big issue. If a project doesn't have big headlines frequently it is killed.
I think more likely is that the news outlets need the revenue from clicks, and are willing to trade their reputation to get them. Accurate science journalism doesn't pay, capitalism is a race to the bottom.
Also, she got second degree burns, and she was not the first person to be injured by the coffee, and McDonald's was told multiple times that they served their coffee too hot.
During the trial, McDonald's showed zero care for the the people they injured, to the point that most of the fine that McDonald's ended up paying was punitive damages
Third degree burns…. It was brutal. The pictures are out there for those that want to search.
The coffee that burned Stella Liebeck was dangerously hot—hot enough to cause third-degree burns, even through clothes, in three seconds. Liebeck endured third-degree burns over 16 percent of her body, including her inner thighs and genitals—the skin was burned away to the layers of muscle and fatty tissue. She had to be hospitalized for eight days, and she required skin grafts and other treatment. Her recovery lasted two years.
Tbh, I don't get it. How can a coffee, that can be max 100°C cause such burns? I would have never believed hot/boiling water is that dangerous, without that story.
That’s literally a temperature you would cook meat with
What do you think people are made of?
TIL, videos saying "cook meat at 180°" actually meant 180°F and not 180°C.
Now I have to check what my induction stove means when it reads 180 in deep frying mode.
Afaik it means °C usually, but when boiling meat it will be cooked at 100°C give or take.
But since well done steak is supposed to be 71°C, everything hotter than that would sooner or later cook the meat.
Considering that Google says 350°F - 375°F for deep frying and that I am in a °C country, I would lean more this way.
Of course, I have never cooked meat and have no idea what deep frying meat at 180°C would do.
Ah, I don't know about deep frying, I was speaking about boiling, baking, and air frying, rather. Maybe my point is not valid in that case
Hot air/gas, hot water/liquid, and a hot solid behaved very differently. The numbers depend a lot on what's being measured. There's also a big variable of time.
The cheap induction stove is not really measuring anything.
Its PWM has been tuned to get to the temperature the user selects, under whatever testing conditions they had while R&D. The displayed temperature is just the user selected temperature.
But setting it to 120(whatever unit) manages to make good enough french fries, so that's fine by me.
Boiling water is extremely dangerous! Water at 140°F (60°C) will cause a serious burn in 3 seconds. Even water at 120°F (49°C) will cause a serious burn within 10 minutes. Source
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Well, scalding hot water, some of the hottest you are legally allowed to have set out of a water heater, is about 130 degrees F, or 54 degrees C. That will scald you in a few seconds.
Her coffee was near double that. So, ice at 0, can burn you at 54, and then around 100 degrees... Yeah.
Are you American? 100 degrees celsius is 212 degrees Fahrenheit
I mean, it's easy to believe when you consider what might happen if you put your hand into a boiling pot of pasta, for example.
I'm sorry, it fucking welded her pussy shut????
the news did not report on that part
Yes. Yes it did.
No, they did not report that in media.
I knew about the story, did not know about that detail.. I can feel my own cunt quivering in pain imagining that.
The media are corporations also.
Of course it didn't.
I dont understand this, coffee is generally made with near boiling hot water. Many coffee machines make the coffee in front of your eyes. Of course its served boiling hot, no?
I mean her accident is extremely unfortunate, but her needing money for medical bills is a problem with society, not mcdonalds.
Coffee is brewed near boiling, but the hottest it should be served is 60 degrees C, or around 140 degrees F. Basically her temperature was the same as it was literally coming out of the machine, no one takes a big gulp of coffee the second it comes out of the machine.
McDonalds kept their coffee as hot as possible to give the illusion it was fresher than it was. By keeping the coffee at 190-200F then they believed that customers would feel that the coffee was fresher, even though they knew it was unsafe to serve coffee that hot.
Larger places follow the same rules here, while coffee is brewed extremely hot it usually rests for a bit before serving unless a customer explicitly asks for it. In restaurants it's served for you. Even Starbucks most of their drinks are milk based which cools the coffee, except for Americanos which are just espresso and hot water, and you'll usually see those with an insulator cup to highlight that
Found this, which explains serving coffee better than I can. https://mtpak.coffee/2022/08/takeaway-cups-coffee-temperature-ideal-serving/
https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts
McDonald’s admitted it had known about the risk of serious burns from its scalding hot coffee for more than 10 years. The risk had repeatedly been brought to its attention through numerous other claims and suits.
Many places here you get your coffee straight from the machine that brews it (as in you press the button yourself), far too hot to drink immediately.