Probably the easiest boycott you could do, let's do it Lemmy!

I've been called a racist, a homophobe (???) and worst of all a liberal and a fascist (same thing apparently /s) all because I insisted that China isn't worth simping for.

What I hate most about tankies is that they are the only true leftists and anybody who disagrees with them is just a poser and a liberal. Especially anarchists.

For clarity, the thread you are talking about was filled with reasonable discussion that you doubled down on ignoring. The biggest thing people took issue with is your insistence on having a negative opinion towards something you in the same breath admitted you lacked real knowledge of how the PRC works. There's a difference between having an opinion based on strong investigation, and one made by vibes, something pointed out repeatedly to you.
- If somebody so desperately wants me to support the second most powerful empire in the world the burden of proof is on them, not on me.
  
  The burden of proof is on the person making claims. The people in that thread nevertheless gave you plenty of proof countering your claims.
  
  My claim was that tankies exist. Which you're proving true once again.
  Go watch CGTN, aka the only "proof" supplied.
  
  I provided much more than CGTN, and that was with respect to legal structures alone. Everyone else provided plenty of evidence as well. You provided very little and doubled down on anti-China myths.
  
  Won't somebody think of the poor nation state empire? :(
  
  See, you're doing it again. No matter how many times people explain that the PRC isn't an empire, you double down with bulletproof logic like "the more populous the country, the more evil it is." You hide behind the phrase "tankies exist," then build up a strawman of a tankie, then start calling others that don't fit that strawman a tankie anyways when they debunk one of your myths.
  Did you really learn absolutely nothing from that thread? I figured there was a solid chance you'd change your perspective at the minimum, but you just double down further and further.
  
  Why are you so hung up on this? I didn't come here to debate you. But fine I'll take you seriously one more time. But I'm pretty sure all you're gonna do is dismiss everything I say as myths (or just ignore it alltogether), and then pretend you gave convincing arguments because you mentioned whole process democracy, and call me a liberal. Feel free to prove me wrong. Here we go:
  There is ethnic cleansing in Xinjiang in which China has piggy-backed on the US "war on terror" as an excuse to repress muslim populations. This is officially called "Strike Hard Campaign against Violent Terrorism". Do I really need to say more?
  Taiwan has its own democracy and wants to be independent, yet China claims it as its own.
  Yes there's asterisks and details and questionable involvement from the West in all of this, but these aren't "myths".
  Sinologists from various countries have stated that they or their colleagues have been barred from entry or held by authorities for weeks because of what they've said about China. For example I just heard Weigelin-Schwiedrzik say this on a marxist podcast.
  
  There is ethnic cleansing in Xinjiang in which China has piggy-backed on the US "war on terror" as an excuse to repress muslim population.
  There is not. There are no hallmarks of an ethnic cleansing nor evidence for one. The think tank propagandists behind these claims - they are all in the same funding networks connected to the NED/USAID - spent ages just trying to shoehorn what was actually happening into a wishy washy definition of "cultural genocide", which is to say, there is no mass death, no mass expulsions, no attempt to eradicate the population in any way.
  Re: "cultural genocide", even with a wishy washy definition, that is also specious, as Uyghur culture has not been disrupted or banned. The exact opposite is the case, it is lifted up culturally, promoted materially. What is oppressed is anything in the neighborhood of salafism, which has never been part of Uyghur culture, but in their infinite (islamophobic) wisdom, the western pro-think tank critics have conflated it with Uyghur culture simply because they are largely muslims.
  And you have, yet again, uncritically accepted the liberal propaganda narrative against the designated enemies of the US state. Are you noticing the pattern? It seems you are more interested in living in a fantastical liberal bubble than ever acknowledging that "the tankies" actually can defend their ideas while you cannot.
  This is officially called "Strike Hard Campaign against Violent Terrorism". Do I really need to say more?
  Yes, you do. You can of course understand almost nothing about this from that title. I would challenge you to tell me what you think it means and what is going on in your thought process.
  Taiwan has its own democracy and wants to be independent, yet China claims it as its own.
  A few days ago I broke this down for you and you ignored it entirely. If you deigned to read what others told you, you might understand the basics of the detente with Taiwan.
  Yes there's asterisks and details and questionable involvement from the West in all of this, but these aren't "myths".
  The content of both claims are, in fact, mythological. In the first case it is very literally the propaganda outfits of CIA cutouts and the promotion of some expat grifters working together in an absurdly lazy information war. In the latter case it is a false pretense of having no idea or way of knowing what the tension is over Taiwan and opting to present it in an intentionally vague way to put it in a worse light while also using a liberal framing re: praising it as democratoc, whereas any anarchist will not uncritically celebrate bourgeois electoralism, and certainly not in defense of an ethnocentric state. Taiwan did actually do an ethnic cleansing, which is ironic for your case.
  Sinologists from various countries have stated that they or their colleagues have been barred from entry or held by authorities for weeks because of what they've said about China. For example I just heard Weigelin-Schwiedrzik say this on a marxist podcast.
  Literally who cares.
  
  The only reason I replied was to give context to this comment:
  I’ve been called a racist, a homophobe (???) and worst of all a liberal and a fascist (same thing apparently /s) all because I insisted that China isn’t worth simping for.
  That's not what happened, I showed what actually happened. The homophobic comment was well-warented as well, claiming users are "sucking XYZ person off" is an insult historically directed at men on the basis of homosexual actions being "shameful" or "gross," reinforcing that image of homosexuality. As a pansexual man, that certainly doesn't feel good to see. You crafted an enemy to fight, and when people pointed out that the enemy you created in your head doesn't actually exist, you projected that strawman onto others. Here's an example:
  If China is a socialist state worth supporting then I’m a donkey with a laser dick :P But I’m more anarchistically inclined so different perspective. I see your point though. What I’m saying is not that communist = tankie, on the contrary. I’m saying that tankies claim to be communists but spend all day parroting their favorite Russian or Chinese state propaganda because they believe everything else is clearly controlled by Obamna™ himself. They rarely actually talk about communism, they just roam Lemmy all day calling everybody who disagrees with them a liberal :D
  Despite multiple people providing nuanced responses with western sources backing them up, and only a few people calling you a liberal, you started calling others "tankies." Even now, I never once called you a liberal, you had to lie about that to provide a "buffer" for yourself.
  What I hate most about tankies is that they are the only true leftists and anybody who disagrees with them is just a poser and a liberal. Especially anarchists.
  Many of the people disagreeing with you and calling you a liberal were Anarchists, actually. Anarchism isn't a vibe, or a purity test, Anarchism must side with reality. Simply saying "every government bad, and the more people, the more bad it is" would only be applicable if there was already a mass Anarchist movement that served as a genuine alternative. In the absence of such a movement, you have to work with what's there and build up alternatives in the meantime.
  I'm not interested in "debating you." I just saw you misrepresenting Marxists and Anarchists who disagreed with you as "tankies" who "simp" for the PRC despite giving well-sourced and nuanced responses. Not everyone was respectful, but numerous people were, and when people like @TheOubliette@lemmy.ml gave you careful and thoughtful responses to questions you yourself asked,, you ignored the majority of the comments because "you were busy," rather than simply not responding. You couln't even do the bare minimum of respect for all that effort, but you had to get in a quick jab in response.
  All I'm saying is that you need to do some self-crit. What was your goal? To convert people to see things your way? That backfired spectacularly. Was it to learn more yourself? You evidently admitted to not reading the longer, higher effort comments, so that's a wash too. If anything, it just seems like you wanted to argue and call people tankies. I don't think your accusation that "tankies" call everyone else a "lib" is a coincidence given your tendency to call people who disagree with "tankie," it's projection.
  
  The only burden I've ever placed on you is to be self-consistent and not use homophobic insults.
  And I don't need your support for China. You are largely indistinguishable from other liberals that think they are anarchist for some unclear reason, having done no work to shed the liberal propaganda against the US state's designated enemies. And now that you are over here having clearly done no reflection or self-criticism regarding your misconceptions and bad faith behavior, why do you think anyone should spend time trying to educate you?
  
  If you don't need my support why are you badgering me here????? I never asked to be "educated" if that's what you call your sleuth of abusr. Leave me alone, you're blocked.
  
  I am correcting your false claims and am getting amused by the fact that you abandoned any pretense of reading or responding to explanations in the previous thread, even making excuses for not having the time to do so, even though now that you clearly do have time you are using it to instead double down on your misconceptions while still lashing out at "the tankies" (me).
  You lobbed insults and denigration and now plead victimhood when receiving mild criticism of your claims and behavior.
lol you're still at this after abandoning this thread? The one where you jumped in, whinged about "tankies", and then ignored nearly everything that I said to you while apologizing for not having the time to respond?
Why are you now here and still whinging rather than back at that thread actually engaging? Why are you doubling down on this nonsense when you couldn't defend it directly against your targets of insult?
Remember when you resorted to the homophobic remarks I predicted?
The thing I hate about tankies is the same thing I hate about fascists, every other living thing on earth shares a common ancestor with them. I propose we exile them from the evolutionary tree, return them to the dirt they truly are so that they may be of some use to all living creatures.
- imagine saying shit like " I propose we exile them from the evolutionary tree" and thinking you're anti-fascist
  
  But I am an anti fascist, just cause im a bloodthirsty bastard who thinks murder is a borderline panacea doesnt mean I am fascist. Fascism has some very notable ideological elements that do not apply to me. Also when I say want to kill someone unless they are in a position of power I want to beat them physically first so that I may break their beliefs, after all if they stop believing then they arent a fascist now are they.
  Just cause you associate bloodthirst and antisocial tendencies with fascists doesnt make it an applicable element to me. Plus I loath authority too much to be an authoritarian, it is traditional amongst my kin to reject even our elders authority.
  
  gee, i'm peeing my pants over here
  i called you a fascist because of your borderline eugenicist way of framing it, but you're also a psychopath too apparently so that's fun
  
  I was making a darwin award joke, basically just a way of saying I want to commit homicide. Also not psychopathy just a nasty mix of Autism and PTSD.
- Least genocidal liberal
- Tankies essentially have more in common with other fascists than they do other leftists.
  I once joined a stalinist discord. 3 weeks later it was a community of trans-Hitlerites who required an ID to join.
  Is it 100% accurate to write communism off as fascism hiding under leftist wool? No, not 100% accurate, but it sure saves a hell of a lot of time.

China pretending to be egalitarian is like Maga pretending to be pro-freedom.

Thanks for posting that, I had no idea. Yikes. Time to find a new instance.

I criticized the CCP on lemmy.ml and got called racist and got banned lmao

Typical conservative sjw user /s

You know people can see your moderation history right?

I genuinely didn't. How do you check that? I want to see their excuse for banning me
- Not sure if this link will work on any lemmy clients, but open it in the browser (modlog on lemmy.ml and filtered by your user ID):
  https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=2602275
  Edit: I linked ml because I don't know if modlogs federate over. E.g if lemmy.ml admin mod actions are visible on sh.itjust.works modlog page.
  
  Thank you, I had no idea how to find this, it's super fascinating
  Some of these removals are perfectly warranted, like that L + ratio comment. It was a fun comment, but not productive. I didn't even know I was banned from 196 for... Defending genocide? Because I didn't want Trump elected? I would like to congratulate the moderators of blahaj.zone for successfully preventing a Harris presidency.
  All the recent .ml stuff is because of "rule 1," and y'all can plainly see that none of the comments removed were bigoted, and only one was uncivil.
  
  No problem! I just got interested how the modlog actually looks like after seeing this comment chain and decided to finally check it out.
  No idea whether that link is only showing the lemmy.ml admins actions on you or do the mod actions federate and show all the actions mods on any instance have taken on you though
  
  I would like to congratulate the moderators of blahaj.zone for successfully preventing a Harris presidency.
  The guys who've spent the last year telling the democrats "You need to stop the genocide and promote popular left policy if you want to win" are not responsible for the dems loss. The dems are responsible for their own loss for ignoring the obvious advice of "stop doing the thing that made you lose in 2022 and 2016 and 2010 and 2004 and instead do the thing that made you win in 2008 and 2020"
  It's particularly gross to suggest a predominantly trans instance wanted a trump presidency.
  
  I agree that it's the Democrats' fault that they lost, but I stand by the assertion that people who would rather not vote at all than vote for the lesser of two evils are partially to blame when the greater of two evils wins.
  I didn't say they wanted a Trump presidency, I said they didn't want a Harris presidency. I only congratulated them on their efforts to prevent that.
  
  The people saying "Genocide, punishing immigrants, tough-on-crime rhetoric, and complicated, means-tested bullshit decreases your bases turnout" are not at fault for those unpopular policies decreasing turnout. Everyone who failed to publicly criticize the dems so they could maintain the delusion they could win while promising to do the opposite of what the people whose votes they depend on want are far more culpable.
  
  No, the people who decided not to vote because the better candidate wasn't better enough are to blame
  
  I can agree both those things happened, but you're saying one of them had a much stronger effect and so far i'm not seeing any evidence presented
  
  Trans people voted for Harris, overwhelmingly. The problems were with white guys with a weird stick up their ass trying to convince everyone else not to vote to protect us. Good work I guess, you got what you wanted.
  
  Nobody was telling people not to vote Harris, there's a difference between that and telling the dems that the policies and messaging they adopted from the Republican's 2016 platform were wildly unpopular and will not win the election.
  And if the dems successfully ignore and silence all criticism from the left, they're going to do the same shit in 2026 and 2028.
  
  One time, drag's friend accidentally left his fly open in public. Drag wanted to save him the embarassment of having it open, and drag knew exactly what to do to help him.
  So drag got up in front of everyone in the bar, shouted that the friend's fly was open, and shared some dank memes making fun of him.
  Drag's friend claims that nobody from that night respects him anymore and drag is a terrible friend, but that's nonsense. He's the one who left his fly open, drag was just helping him avoid embarrassment.
  
  If Drag spent 4 years telling Drag's buddy "Zip up your fly, or you're going to be thrown out", and instead drag's friend shows his Dick to everyone at the bar, it's not Drag's fault. Nor is it the fault of everyone else at the bar for being repelled.
  If Drag's friend thinks everyone would have been OK with him flashing non-consenting people, and that Drag simply convinced everyone this was repellent behavior, that's even more reason to listen to Drag.
  
  Drag doesn't use he/him. You don't have to misgender trans fembys and accuse them of having penises in order to make your political point.
  
  Drag talking about someone else who uses he/him pronouns is not a good reason to he/him drag. And it is NEVER okay to sexualise and talk about the supposed genitals of random strangers you just met.
  
  Bad! It's bad of you to sexualise trans enbies! Sexually harassing your opponent is not an argument!
  
  It was an honest mistake, I mixed up drag and drag's friend in the story.
  It has been fixed now
  
  Drag thinks you replied to the wrong comment
  
  I did I am so sorry
  
  I'm honored to have learned about being banned from ML on this blessed day.
  
  Checked both my account on lemm.ee and thelemmy.club, and its mostly clean.
  https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=11745158 https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=13547228
  
  It works on Thunder!
- Scroll all the way to the bottom and click mod log to search. or click the 3 vertical dots to see a specific users mod history.
- It might be an instance thing, I don't know if all instances make modlogs this transparent.

The Winnie the Pooh stuff is just completely made up by Western propaganda. Also, how hard is "yellow face is racist", when saying an Asian looks like a cartoon with yellow skin?

People don't say Xi Jinping looks like Winnie the Pooh because Pooh is yellow, silly. They say it because he kinda looks like Winnie the Pooh

Banned starman2112 @sh.itjust.works from the community 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone reason: Weirdo who defends genocide, because only young people are aginast it

Thanks for the link and the laugh! 😂

It's amusing to see the average user criticizing .ml while ignoring the bad behavior of others. LMAO!

Weirdo, why im not surprised at all 😂

Haha I also like reason: https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#1-attacks-on-users-or-groups doxing is not ok on lemmy.world
The thread is them saying they would punch nazis
- That one was warranted. While I am in favor of doxxing nazis, I understand the legal imperative to nuke threads where nazis are getting doxxed
  
  The nazi was doxxed by other people, somewhere else. The poster suggested they should be punched.
Hey, uhm, I know you're gonna react negatively to this, but could you answer me one simple yes or no question?
Are you pro-Russian?
- And I'm of course against Russia but against Israel too you see
  
  We have so much in common! I wish we had elected someone who wouldn't simultaneously give Ukraine over to Russia, and ensure the total annihilation of the Palestinian people, and remove all access to gender affirming care for trans people in the country I live in.
  But I guess the fact that I thought we should vote for the person who would kill fewer people means I support genocide, at least according to the 196 mod team
  
  For your last paragraph,
  That's a false matter and conflict as a stranger to your country.
  The real issue, isn't you or non-voters, the real issue is the fucking trump voters.
  Don't let them divide us on this one.
  
  Sister, tell the mod team that. Non-voters are the ones saying voters support genocide.
  
  I can understand that claim, because when you search you can see a lot of things not good concerning Democrats.
  The politics under biden isn't friendly to Palestinian and in a way say "that's ok Israel" ,
  Kamala didn't stance a clear position on that.
  And by the past they were in meetings not with Palestinian's representatives but just sionists.
  
  Sorry your favorite genocider lost, sweetie, but as a non-american, I find it undecent as fuck to bring out your country's politics under news about dead children. Read the fucking room.
  
  ??? This part of the thread is explicitly about the mods of 196 banning me for stuff about my country's politics. Don't tell me to read the fucking room. When the choice is between less dead children and more dead children, there is a clear right option.
  I know someone is gonna say that it's wrong to choose either, and to that I say: good job, people like you are why the More Dead Children party won. Congratulations.
  
  Shut up idiot I hope you get drafted and sent to the haag to die.
  
  Sorry your favorite genocider lost btw. I hope you get genocide at home lmao. Less yanks.
  
  I think we should build a wall around america lmao. To keep them in. And that includes virtually. The lemmyverse is full of shit since that time the yanks couldn't agree on which genocider to pick.
  The thing with first world idiots is that they would gladly sacrifice foreigner's life for their own safety. Well guess what, loser, now you get neither.
  
  Explicitly mentioning it, despite already saying you support Ukraine. I like it. Thanks.
  
  I should not explain my opinions/positions regarding this,
  As a trans person, i cant be on the putin's side you see ;)
  But, i hate to see things like "kill the russians" etc,
  Do we accept "kill jews/israelien" ? No, and in good reason,
  Why should we accept then the "kill all russians" etc ?
  
  Well, there's a lot of Mexicans in the US who voted for Trump. There's even a meme regarding people voting for leopards eating their faces, so you know, you can't trust people to be reasonable always.
  Who has said "kill all Russians"? Who has said "kill all jews"? (Aside from Hitler and his ilk)
  I think it would be disingenuous to pretend like the majority of people are for massacring Israelis or Russians, when they're clearly advocating for stopping the genocide in Gaza and Russia backing off from their attack on Ukraine. They broke international laws. Both of those parties, that is. That's just... not on. Being against those actions and the people who perpetrated them doesn't mean you're advocating for "an eye for an eye" (a genocide for a genocide).
  
  Well, there’s a lot of Mexicans in the US who voted for Trump. There’s even a meme regarding people voting for leopards eating their faces, so you know, you can’t trust people to be reasonable always
  Who has said “kill all Russians”? ~~Who has said “kill all jews”? (Aside from Hitler and his ilk)~~
  I agree that the negative impacts of capitalism are significant, which may explain why some Mexican and Black voters support Trump. This phenomenon is perplexing to me, and I struggle to understand it.
  Regarding hate speech, I want to address the troubling comments I've seen on platforms like Lemmy, where users have made statements such as "Time to kill more Russians." This kind of rhetoric should not be tolerated, just as we do not accept antisemitism. It is essential to uphold a standard that rejects all forms of hate.
  The problem is that these harmful comments often receive upvotes, which can mislead and confuse members of the Lemmy community, including its administrators. I frequently observe this dynamic at play.
  Concerning the cries regarding such instances (ML, HB, LM), I believe that if these individuals are coherent in their beliefs, they should also oppose bigotry and racism, which can sometimes be found in other communities, such as on LW, Sopuli, etc.
  There is clearly a lack of moderation in many instances, and this needs to be addressed to foster a more inclusive and respectful environment.
- Nope,
  I'm on the side of Ukrainian if you want to know 😑😐
  
  Good, good, just checking.
Seems like whataboutism. Stay on topic.
- They're very good at that. They've done the same elsewhere in this thread too, unsurprisingly.