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Where do you think plastic comes from?

Should we just throw fuel and energy directly into the ground?

Bizarre purist argument against a method of power production that keeps fossil fuels in the ground.

Do you have expertise about the difference between incineration and various pyrolysis / gasification methods or are you just blanket dismissing this because it produces energy in a form you don't like? Energy has to come from somewhere.

??????????

https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/01/wood-gas-vehicles-firewood-in-the-fuel-tank/

Here's an even older one about wood gas

I need to stop mixing in things I heard on the phone with stuff I read, but I meant like metal crap or things with pockets of air or other stuff idk when I meant explosion inducing

Cool site will check it out.

Yeah I had been thinking of that article to link in the other thread but I only posted the coppicing one

Also hydrogen gas is used to make gasoline. If fossil fuel production was heavily reduced I'm guessing it would be trivial to replace part of naptha production with hydrogen from renewable sources?

Maybe it would be redundant.

By energy wasted on food and trash I mean the hydrogen & energy (both generally from fossil fuels) that go into a lot of the fertilizer which is used in industrial agriculture. All of the energy which goes into plastic manufacturing: fossil fuel feedstocks, cellulose and other stuff going into it, to the transport of supplies & the energy use of everything.

Yeah effective composting is a good way of doing that. I have a compost bin.

Ugh yeah you'd still need to sort out the unsuitable / explosion inducing objects anyways but type of plastic is prolly really important :-/

Idk I usually think about manufacturing as like how expensive the labor is + training & education + access to technology + the reagents going in + overhead of facility + transport + electrical grid stuff + supply chain

as far as what is actually going on inside the big TRASH reactor I'm a bit mystified thanks

Maybe if I get to be nuclear pope.

From what I've been told it doesn't really have any issue with spewing fucking dioxins everywhere like the waste incineration power stations?

Why did Scandinavians build those then lol??

I'd say it's even a better use than recycling it into more single-use plastics.

For sure. Isn't one of the biggest issues with it sorting everything out? Plastic waste contaminated with food has to be really common right?

Re: My comments on hydrogen gas specifically, I don't know how any of this shit works in terms of chemistry or equipment or anything. :3 I just think renewable production of fuels is very cool because it can just be stored in a big vessel (although hydrogen needs to be compressed or stored in some kind of solution like with some zinc batteries i posted about before)

when talking to people about the renewable energy transition, one of the points has been frequently raised as a negative is the overuse of lithium ion batteries (we're using gigantic lithium batteries for data centers & for power stations, which could be replaced by flow batteries and other stuff (actually may have still neglected to post about flow batteries) but renewable fuel production is one of those things that skirts around the issue (can cause pollution tho ofc), so I find it very interesting.

Hydrogen is so used for lots of industrial processes other than being a clean energy source, like fertilizer

You're right on the money as far as going out and harvesting biomass rather than waste disposal that doubles as energy production being dumb. This magazine's editors and writers have a completely different worldview than me. I wasn't sure if you were joking/I was misunderstanding you about there not being energy to burn in plastic and food waste.

I don't know what people's hang up about nuclear is.

And all the naysayers about renewables are getting swept by the Chinese yeah.

@HexBroke@hexbear.net you're presumably joking about the feasibility of getting some of the energy wasted on food & plastic back out again.

But this is a good article on how renewable hydrocarbons can be used for energy. Of course, modern energy use would probably exceed the forage capacity or new growth wood.

I think trying to shame people for wanting to drop a piano on somebody is extemely annoying and I see it happen constantly, it makes me want to drop a piano on people. I think you should be able to drop a church organ on people but yeah you get me, conserve your energy.

If it helps I am quoting a modern Axis of Resistance guy, and I really think there is wisdom in what he's saying despite the emote. It's more about the hand gesture Conover is making in it. ☝️

Idealists when idealists walk in

I believe that is correct.

I enjoy quoting it out of context in an upbeat fashion. ☝️