hot take, feel free to dunk but holy shit, all the posts from white people being like "let's kill all the white people" is insufferable "i'm one of the good ones!" nonsense and it really should stop

white people can't help but fantasize about genocide even when it's to themselves

but on a serious note I think for some users it crosses into suicidal ideation and that makes me very uncomfortable

let's kill the structures of white supremacy so that "white" isn't really a thing

Personally, I would like to see some of that energy being used for more productive anti-racist actions

But then again, this a website for little goofy people sometimes and that means that people will be little and goofy sometimes

They hated him because he spoke the truth

On a non edgy note, being white but having class consciousness and being anti racist in cracker town USA sucks. The shit white people say to you that they think is acceptable is insane. It's like the power and privilege just poisons their souls. Whiteness as an institution/class, whatever it is, legit needs to be destroyed.

As a poc I hate seeing these jokes because I worry that the poster thinks this is what poc actually want and are “aligning” in some misguided way with us, which just feeds into the “hur hur what if whites were a minority they would be treated just as badly as today’s minorities” nonsense from the chuds

Did that paragraph make any sense I just woke up

I agree, it's incredibly self serving and you're not fooling anybody

I bet many other POC feel the same as me but I rarely even complain about white people here because I know it's like 90% white so it's just an audience that could never empathize with what I'm saying

If telling people to stop posting worked, we wouldn't be here

They're not particularly valuable posts

If hexbears wanna express their frustrations with racism or white supremacy I think it's fair to give them a platform to vent, but self-flagellation doesn't really do anything

We prefer Saltinx thanks

It's a shibboleth for this community. Something you use to alienate people who don't know that, under all those layers of irony, you don't actually want to kill white people. Also preserves the identity of the community as an edgy/crass leftist space.

You need to understand white people need of making everything about them. Is like basically their only culture.

we are losing our way

3 threads greater than 100 comments. Truly, this is one of the weeks where decades happens. I haven't read any of them.

I usually try not to engage in discussions about this stuff (except for once before like years ago), but maybe I'll indulge a little bit and just say that not only does it make me uncomfortable when I see it, but I also know that it actively turns many people away from ideas of actual leftism when they see it, especially whenever they don't know how "serious" people are around here when they throw around the cracker-word.

I'm bi-racial and I don't have much of a "racial identity" (whatever that's even supposed to be or look like), so admittedly I always get at least a little uncomfortable when anybody starts talking about their or someone else's "race", much the same way I get a little uncomfortable when people start generalizing each other because of their age, their gender, whatever.

I fully recognize that white privilege is a real thing in western cultures, and that anyone who can be construed as "non-white" is put at a very real disadvantage in many real-world situations (sometimes fatally so), and so because of that I also recognize the urge to undermine the general concept that "white = good / normal" by lashing out against it. But when you call someone who's open to leftism but doesn't have a complete understanding of things a "cracker", for example, you put them down in a way that they usually perceive as intensely bigoted, to the degree that they will stop listening to every single thing you say after that. They'll leave here, and never take you or anyone associated with whatever they perceive as your ideology seriously again. And I think that's a big shame, because instead you could be trying to guide them to a more enlightened view of the world.

Ultimately - regardless of how justified it is by societal conditions - it's a hateful act, born of hate (often times self-hate), and I don't feel like that's in the spirit of communism.

And, at the end of the day, I am conserving all my hatred for the moment when I personally blow away during the revolution.

Let’s colonize anti-racism

Yeah its one of the discussions on this site that make me remind myself that nobody irl talks like this

For what it's worth, I'm part of a communist org that's about 1/3 POC, and nobody in our group says this kind of stuff and we'd probably find it extremely weird and off-putting if someone did.

Yeah, that's what I've been saying. It's desperate, it's sad, and they all end up saying "no I don't actually mean kill all white people I mean to critique the concept of whiteness" THEN DO THAT INSTEAD OF WRITING THE SAME TIRED JOKE

You're not critiquing anything by making an ironic call for genocide. Critique the concept of whiteness then, and do it in a provocative way.
Most don't even mean to do that, they just hate racism or whatever, but they know that's a dumbass thing to write, because who doesn't hate racism? So instead they write something that will give them validation.

The worst post so far was the skiing one. Motherfucker you're talking about rich people, not white people.

Also this type of post comes around every few months, and this is the first time I haven't seen people make unironic actual calls for white genocide - as in "yes actually I think we should kill all people that are classified as white. I think actual genocide is good when it's against white people" (If you read this statement and think "hell yeah" then get help, you're not a good person for wanting to kill people) - so at least that's something.
I think this type of post helps reinforce to people that they can say and think what they want with no need for introspection, because they're "leftist" so they obviously have the rigjt opinion and they therefore never need to stop and consider wether they're doing something fucked up.

I'm one of the bad ones bad to the bone, babyyyyy

Have you considered it's kinda funny though, especially when random liberals take it super serious

Just between us, you may want to lay off this "grind up the bourgeoisie" stuff. It's a bit off-putting, even to fellow communists.

This is something Kim would say to Harry

hey we were all 14 once

“white” people don’t exist and if you think they do you’re tainted by white supremacy

Abolishment of white supremacy necessarily results in the erasure of the core of White identity since whiteness is a construct that is rooted in the idea of white superiority.

Making another post because I wonder if the sheer amount of white people doing it is because, unlike what reactionaries think, non-white comrades aren’t actually “reverse racist” against white people, and probably are genuinely uncomfortable with doing the bit. I might be wrong, I’m a white so I don’t know for sure.

It could also have something to do with the fact that statements of hatred against all white people is something that meets physical consequences in the real world for non-white people when they say it, so unlike white people who are able to say it without consequence, non-white comrades have to struggle past the ever-present implicit threat that white supremacy poses to make any such statement.

So these two things might be why we usually see “fuck all kkkrakkkers” type posts made by white people. It’s both a lot more awkward to jokingly deride a group you’re not a part of, and similar behavior is more likely to receive backlash by white supremacist forces IRL when it is done by non-white as opposed to white people (I only use “non-white” as a signifier here to denote between people with and without white privilege)

damn, never would have guessed that the thread on would evolve into a 3-month long struggle session

nah bad post, unlimited cracKKKercide on mySSelf

Whitey here, im going to embrace my innate ability to be insufferable to tell you and by extension whoever you're talking bout delete this dumb fucking post and delete your dumb fucking infighting.

Creating or contributing to a gossipy slapfight is not praxis

The wreckers are coming from inside the house.

My list of my three least favorite things in the world:

• Protestants

• Suburbanites

• Cops

Are you happy? I didn't explicitly say I hate white people, I only hate the three whitest institutions that they hold dear.

After certain events the past few days of white people being insufferably racist I'm just gonna say I don't mind the posting. In fact, I find them quite cathartic.

I'm not white and I think it's a good thing, because 90% of white people go when you actually start talking about eurocentrism, physical material, and the fact that their special snowflake status didn't materialize out of thin air or the "superior quality of their spirit" or some other euromystical witchcraft shit dressed up as pseudoscience, but rather from the fact that they lucked out by finding two megacontinents of free shit

If a white person is unbothered by some racial self-flagellation it's a good indicator that they don't have a massive ego based on vicariously identifying with their race, AKA are "one of the good ones" (And let's be honest, there's a lot, a looooot of bad ones out there, some very bad hombres!)

Also, the entire rest of the english-speaking internet is filled with racist jokes about every other race EXCEPT white people, and you get censored/downvoted/banned if you ever do make such jokes about the crackers (even if they're really objectively funny, I got mass downvoted for making a joke about the "mayo clinic" for example)

so yes making fun of white people is good. I am not white.

Those threads always read like an upgraded version of what a lawn-sign liberal might say: "ooh! I'll genocide myself for you! Unlimited Genocide, too! This will be the generation we fix systemic racism!" White guilt havers are willing to grovel, but not willing to put in any work. And then the hiding behind "it was a joke bro, just a prank." It's a big reason why I don't post on this site more often.

its a Usian thing I think, you've got a peculiar and unresolved relationship with so-called 'race' - your government still subscribes to racial theory in its administrative definitions. The arguments tend to be different (more pertinent to the issues) in other countries, and in 'non-white' US.

of course, color is an aesthetic argument, and it isn't an intrinsic property of a thing or person (and 'white' is indisputably a type of color). And aesthetic arguments, like the debates about 'taste' when it comes to media or consumption, are somewhat pointless. I think people argue about aesthetics when they've got no other pressing concerns, which isn't a bad thing per se, just unrelatable to people who do have those pressing concerns.

obviously, this is a US website (like most websites) so its to be expected that you have these kind of discussions, and hyperbole is a natural aspect of that. But really, it might be good to remember to be somewhat internationalist, and be aware that attitudes/understandings toward terminology, and also to so-called 'race' aren't universal. These kind of discussions, on this topic, are very insular.

I don't mean to criticise, I can see where the sides are coming from and why the arguments happen like they do here. But really, it makes no sense to say 'white people', referring to a kind of construct, outside of the US (and probably inside parts of the US). People will just read it as the skin color, or a proxy for or reference to 'racial theory'.

It would be better, and more accurate I think, to refer to yourselves (the 'white people' of the US) as European settler-colonists, since that's what you are. 400 years isn't that long at all - line 5-10 people up in space, and its not much at all, line them up in time/generations and you get 400 years.

Really, in the sense of a paradigm of understanding the world around us, leftism is a religion, albeit a generally atheistic/untheistic one like some east Asian 'religions'/philosophies (you can see its origins and similarities in other religious movements like the Hussites for example or the Zaydi Islam). So its to be expected that self-flagellation occurs. But self-flagellation is just self-indulgence - maybe useful for some, but not for the many.

Cracker

I'm the whitest guy who ever whited. If I go outside in the sun for ten minutes my skin flakes off. But I still find it kind of weird to have "white" as an identity rather than just a skin color. Maybe it's because not being American I was brought up with a different set of brainworms but "white" as an identity seems to be so devoid of any meaning, outside of white supremacy, compared to actual ethnicity or culture where you have a history, a language, a shared set of myths and folklore and traditions and whatnot.

I understand that you would want to rebel if you had a white identity pushed on you and understand how problematic the concept of whiteness is but I can't help feeling that all the self-deprecating anti-white posting is just another way of expressing whiteness as an identity. It's not something that bothers me a lot but it still feels a little weird.

What would be an actually interesting discussion to have would be one about deconstructing whiteness both on a larger scale such as in societies and in organisations and on how you handle being given white privilege on a personal level.

It's funny, there's more activity of posts about self-flagellating kkkrakkkas or whites than about POC themselves

Like wtf, man, I know you hate yourself, but don't make it your entire joke's existence

And destroy the empire itself, numbnuts!

DO NOT KILL ALL OF THE WHITE PEOPLE!

They still need a century of humiliation

Self flagellation emoji when?

As a white man,

It makes me cringe really hard but if people think it's funny or whatever it doesn't really hurt anyone.

kill the cracker inside yourself

comm request c/salty_crackers

Okay, but hear me out: what if I'm not one of the good ones?

I guess i don't see it much differently than calling for the genocide of colonizers or . Like it's not that deep. It's fun to dunk on people who take anti-whiteness seriously. But i'm sorry it makes you feel uncomfortable and like mayos are trying to absolve themselves of their mayoness. I guess i just see it as white people rejecting white supremacy and punching up at white people who believe in white supremacy or race """science""", which seems harmless to me. But thanks for sharing your point of view.

idk, where else can we say that? Like if we say that anywhere else we're just gonna be shouted at by a bunch of liberals and accused of reverse racism. The charge that it's trying to absolve oneself of their own complicity in the racial hierarchy is a valid one, but it also is a genuine sentiment among white people especially on the left, and even among those apolitical people who have yet to realize that what they mean when they complain about "the man" or "society" is white bourgeois society and values. It's a wholly emotional statement, and obviously "fuck white people" isn't a basis for organizing or political action, but this is a shitposting site at heart and I think it's fine if white people want to vent about their fellow hwhytes every now and again.

(I say this as a white person)

I feel like I was just talking about smth adjacent to this in c/em_poc the other day.

There’s a formulating barb in my head about how these crackers might be just as bad as 4channers in some ways about expropriating Black rage but I don’t have the words measured, hammered out, and concrete for it yet.

Y'all are super-duper loud about crackers; (In this community discussion sense, cracker == settler; as opposed to the whole of caucasity) to a point that genuinely does start feeling performative. Like yeah, I'm finna laugh when a well timed "unlimited death" jumps out there, weaponizing fear of the "gReAt RePlAcEmEnT" against crackers will always be great fun-- but some days looking at the hexbear feed, it feels like I'm watching reverse-Mantan. Like, if anti-minstrel shows were a thing, if white minstrelry based itself in performative contrition and public self-flagellation, that's what some of the bits start feeling like after a while-- ESPECIALLY when a dozen of those type posts drop in a three day span.

Kind of a goofy bit to constantly return to, and vaguely discomforting to watch continue. Like... If you're really 'one of the good ones' like you claim to be (collective, not singular; don't wear the shoe if it don't fit), then it doesn't need to be that loud all the time, feel me?

I took a bias test one time

what next we can’t say death to america?

I’m one of the good ones cuz i agree with you

its /cth/ tradition u woutldnt get ut

I always say that I hate white people as a sort of... Statement of disgust with the American and neurotypical culture around me, not really as an indictment of actual white people...

The fact that parts of that culture are innately part of my psyche fuels my hatred to new levels

What would kiryu kazuma do

I find it acceptable. Whites (and by whites I mean Anglos) only understand the world in a performative context so in that sense, they are doing their best when they say cringe performative things like "unlimited genocide on whitoes"

I don't blame people when they are trying their best.

white people don't exist they're all light brown or pink

this has been at the top of my active feed for like a week now why won't it go away

Okay, fair enough, but how about POCs who don't like white people? Can I bitch about white people without it being cringe?

Heabears: mad over fake news because it’s unfunny and the same “x celeb dead” and making the mistake of believing something that is wrong because it gives them ptsd from when they were wrong about Russia invading ukraine (who gives a shit)

Also hexbears (98% white - 2% POC left because of pandering)

CRACKER CRACKER CRACKER CRACKER CRACKER CRACKER CRACKER GENOCIDE CRACKER CRACKER CRACKER CRACKER LOL CRACKER

this isn’t a defense of whites it’s a critique on how fucking dumb this community is

lol

Thanks for articulating this. I've had the same reaction but I avoid engaging because I have this unhealthy mental thing where I (often, not always) actually get upset if online people yell at me.

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I feel like I'm going crazy any time Americans talk about race.

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This is the first ever post you’ve made about race/racism and it’s whining about poc hurting white peoples feelings. Boo fucking hoo.

Whites have a racism gene and lobe, if they dont do at least 20 racisms they explode. So they need to do a racisms against themselves, truly sad