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Seriously, though. How often do you think of the Roman Empire?
  • At least 2-3 times a day, I love their technology, the aqueducts the roads and the stone work. I love to think about post empire when the Germans Gauls and British were living around their ruins unable to build structures like they could. I think about the citizens and how similar their lives are to ours then how drastically it changed post empire. I think about how awful it must have been to be a slave in that time.

    I got hooked on rome from Dan carlins hard core history series on the fall of the republic and he did another one on Cesar in Gaul.

  • S.F. bakery won't serve cops, police union claims. Store says it's about the guns, not the cops
  • I’m not sure you know what I am arguing I never said I want more police or harsher sentences this is arguing in a vacuum all I said in most of these replies was it’s counter productive to not allow police in your restaurant.

    I am a huge advocate for social programs and I think it’s criminal that they are the first to go when the budget gets tight. I would love to see more social workers on scene but you are still going to want a cop there if the person get violent.

    As for the police budget I would love to see it spent on useful training instead of tanks for barricaded suspects that never gets used.

    Those cops making more than social workers are doing that with overtime on road jobs or filling vacant shifts. Any cop or firefighter making $150k a year is living at work.

    I am sure not in a comment section this conversation would go a lot smoother.

  • S.F. bakery won't serve cops, police union claims. Store says it's about the guns, not the cops
  • After the amadou diallo shooting the NYPD knee jerk response was to increase the trigger pull pressure of their pistols so it would be harder to pull the trigger. So instead of better training and use of force tactics they just made it harder to shoot. And that in turn makes it easier to miss and hit bystanders. A perfect example of the terrible policy to breeds bad cops.

  • S.F. bakery won't serve cops, police union claims. Store says it's about the guns, not the cops
  • Never in my above posts did I say the police are perfect and nothing needs to change I too have had dealings with some real shit police. Even if you cut the budget in half you are going to have a really hard time funding and finding people like social workers that want to do that job at 3am. I am all for it though if it’s possible. I am getting crushed because I said not all cops are monsters I definitely think the system needs to change.

  • S.F. bakery won't serve cops, police union claims. Store says it's about the guns, not the cops
  • What do you do for work, and how much time do you spend in depressed areas? I have seen babies shaken to death mothers cutting their wrists while their children are in the next room, people placing gasoline bombs in banks around town, a guy set his ex wife’s house on fire with her in it, a guy shot in the stomach for the cash in his register, a pregnant woman stabbed in the belly 9 times by a stalker abd Countless other awful things and for these reasons I am glad cops are working. Obviously there are douche bags. But the real world is really hard and at times evil. So without police and the idea of punishment I think it would be chaotic. There has to be a better way to deliver public safety and I am on board with it but for now it’s better than nothing.

  • S.F. bakery won't serve cops, police union claims. Store says it's about the guns, not the cops
  • That sucks man and I hate that that happens to you. I am not beating my chest for every cop but not all are animals and until people stop being awful to each other they are needed. I try to de escalate every scene I am on when I feel the cops are being assholes. Their job is almost impossible and unfortunately it attracts douche bags but also there are some great cops.

  • S.F. bakery won't serve cops, police union claims. Store says it's about the guns, not the cops
  • Yea I have been saying that the entire time and getting downvoted to hell. My opinion is one of the big problems are cops don’t think of themselves as part of the community so by kicking them out of restaurants will only make them feel like less of a part of the community. I am done responding to these comments everyone seems to be a expert lawyer and city planner that has extensive experience dealing w the public.

  • S.F. bakery won't serve cops, police union claims. Store says it's about the guns, not the cops
  • Even if I did believe that was a good thing it’s against the constitution to have 2 separate punishments. That said I think cops who fuck up should be tried in court like any other citizen. If you want change go apply to a department.

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