Thief_of_Crows @ Thief_of_Crows @lemmy.ml

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Okay, so nominate a guy who isn't genocidal. Leftists arent going to vote for a genocider, so give us somebody we can vote for. If I knew for a fact Trump would overturn roe v wade, and also attempt another coup, id still vote for him, because he didn't do a genocide. Like I've said, I'll take J6 part 2 over trail of tears part 2 every time.

We are NOT asking that much. Literally all we want is a guy who hasn't already committed a genocide. If y'all can't give that to us, it is not OUR fault when roe v wade gets overturned, it's yours. You didn't give us a choice in the matter. Waving off genocide warning signs is exactly how Germany got Hitler, and if the American voter does NOTHING else, the least we can possibly do for the world is not have a second Holocaust.

I don't care how it happens, but I think I speak for all true leftists when I say we will never vote for a genocider, period. I agree with you that trump is awful, but the Democrats have made him the only valid choice, and so I will be voting for the only candidate that good people are allowed to vote for. If Dems actually want to defeat Trump, they'll put up someone else. Personally I don't actually think they give a shit, cause the spice must flow.

I'm not even saying they have to oppose the genocide. Just stop funding it. Stop making me directly complicit.

We all said never again, and some of us meant it.

If every liberal on the internet calls me a Russian agent when I am not, you think that speaks poorly of me, and not the liberal ideology as a whole? Interesting. Like, when I get that comment, I immediately dismiss the speaker as unintelligent and incurious, because they instantly jump to trying to put me in a box they can ignore, rather than interrogate their own beliefs. Correct beliefs do not need to be shielded from interrogation, they will actually be strengthened by interrogation. In my ideal world, every single person fully understands socialism, because then most people would agree with it and make it happen.

Calling me a Russian agent is very much shielding oneself from my beliefs. If people actually believed that I was a Russian agent, they'd have to believe that all leftists are. But they don't actually believe that, liberals just need to dismiss all leftists as being right wing trolls, because otherwise we would challenge their ideology too drastically for them to keep holding onto it. And there's nothing liberals cling to more desperately than the status quo being acceptable, because liberals fundamentally do not want to change the status quo. So as a result, every single leftist must be dismissed as an individual bad actor, totally disconnected from a larger ideology beyond their desire to destroy democracy.

I understand why y'all do it, but I beg of you, please stop doing it and simply interrogate your own beliefs instead.

What is a lawyer supposed to do if the client lies under oath? Surely A/C priveledge prevents the lawyer from testifying himself that they're lying.

If it's a murder case, you should tell your attorney if you're guilty, right? But then you can still plead not guilty, and your attorney can't rat you out. So how is this different?

Well yeah, they target Hamas, and all the journalists are Hamas. Totally different.

Okay but we all know we can't believe anything trump says, especially anything he only says once. He didn't even build the wall last time, and he said that thousands of times. What he did do is get us out of Afghanistan. So yes, he MIGHT keep doing the genocide, but Biden definitely will. Trump is the only president in 50 years (maybe 100 or 150?) to not start a new war. So if we're going off what he each man actually DID, trump is the obvious choice, because he didn't do a genocide and did end a war.

Bro I'm a leftist and I'm voting for Trump this time. If you want to win, don't run a genocider. Myself and other leftists have a few very hard and fast rules, and genocide is one of them. Id rather have J6 #2 than trail of tears #2

Very clever, nobody ever called me a Russian bot before.

Compare his speaking now to the 2020 debates. Very clearly worse, this isn't the same thing.

Nvm, I guess they're fifth cousins, wild. I meant teddy Roosevelt.

Though Eleanor was Teddy's niece. So apparently the first lady was more closely related than the president, lol

Nobody wants to see 2 old men ramble incoherently at each other. Right now trump is the more cognitively capable of the 2, unfortunately. Though it's certainly close.

I recently saw a poll of current 18 year olds that showed the women are very democrat leaning, while the men are very right leaning, though not as extreme as the female lean was. Young people are leaning left more than ever, but primarily due to the women

Just because west isn't polling there now doesn't mean he couldn't be. Trump is unpopular enough that literally any random person on the internet could beat him if they were made the dem nominee. If Dems want to win this election, they have to cut Biden out. He's going to lose, because of the genocide. I don't doubt that Shapiro could also win, as long as the DNC gets behind him.

No, I'm not missing the point. I grasped the point, it was just a bad point.

Same idea as Chelsea Clinton speaking at 2016 DNC. Not to mention the 3 prior times a presidents son has been elected president...

Edit: One, the second Harrison, was actually the presidents grandson, not son. Also FDR was a presidents brother.

Well also because it's never been independently verified, and the main guy pushing it, Adrian zenz, is a far right con artist.

Am I though?

I'm sure that one or two, or hell, maybe 1-200, of the 1000-1500 people Hamas has killed, were not IDF. However, literally every Israeli over the age of 15 is IDF, so that is itself pretty suspect. And maybe 1 or 2 were done so as horrifically as the IDF claims. All groups have horrible people in them in small numbers. But that has never been shown to be true. You're simply taking people's word for it. Basically nothing the IDF has ever said has been independently verified, while most of what Hamas has claimed has been. So yes, I believe the group that doesn't lie, and not the one who does.

I don't know how NK rigs elections. How do we even know for sure they do? I mean I obviously don't believe American media about it. Does Chinese or Russian media say they do? Or Al Jazeera? But assuming they do actually do it, what was your point about rigged elections again?

Explain why you would have voted against the fascist genocider, even though you are currently pushing a fascist genocider. Cause let's be clear: there is nothing more fascist than literally committing a genocide. All your claims of trump being a fascist are irrelevant when the other guy is literally already being a fascist.

Yeah, Cornel West could easily win if the DNC got behind him. Probably Sanders too. Did you mean Ben Shapiro? What?

Yeah, CNN is far from reliable, probably shouldn't be an approved source. Fox news is also often correct, doesn't mean we should be citing them rather than the source they used in the first place.