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Energy efficiency of Linux compared to other, typically closed-source operating systems
  • I think that's the big thing. The vast majority of computer users need little more than a bit of word processing, YouTube, maybe some online banking. Beyond that? Nothing at all.

    These tasks require such a ridiculously small amount of computing power when compared to other tasks, such as gaming and video editing, that 90% of the power their computer has is just not needed, and is instead being consumed by Windows.

  • Energy efficiency of Linux compared to other, typically closed-source operating systems
  • You mention waste, and actually that's another interesting point. It's no secret that Linux words wonders on older hardware, precisely due to its high level of optimization and low storage space requirement. Therefore, it could be argued that using Linux and other FOSS would quite literally reduce the amount of e-waste produced each year, since people would be able to use the same computer for longer.

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  • I agree, and I did mention at the end of my post that I'm not saying we'd see any radical changes in energy consumption. At the end of the day, manufacturing, agriculture, transportation etc use gigawatts more power than any computing activity does currently, and although that could change in the future, I do still think it's an interesting thought to have.

  • Energy efficiency of Linux compared to other, typically closed-source operating systems
  • Open sourcing drivers would definitely go miles in helping to improve Linux's optimization and power efficiency as a whole. Unfortunately, though, until the majority of software is written to be bespoke to Linux, we're always going to be at a disadvantage. One day...

  • Energy efficiency of Linux compared to other, typically closed-source operating systems
  • I think the other difficulty would be the requirement of knowing both Linux and Windows through-and-through to ensure the code you're writing is leveraging all the os-specific advantages. But yes, it's definitely an interesting hypothetical.

  • Energy efficiency of Linux compared to other, typically closed-source operating systems
  • Yes, I probably should have rephrased that as "are often more efficient" rather than implying that this is always the case. I do think, and I mentioned this somewhere else, though, that it's quite a hard comparison to make. I'd probably make the argument that if the driver itself was the issue, making the driver open-source would likely (and that's a "likely" going off an assumption which I can't back up) be more efficient.

    Generally speaking, my point does still apply for fully open-source software which has been developed specifically for Linux. Unfortunately, we won't be seeing much mainstream Linux-bespoke software for a while, at least not until the year of the Linux desktop finally arrives.

    I completely agree with what you're saying, though.

  • Energy efficiency of Linux compared to other, typically closed-source operating systems
  • Yes, massively. At least with current data, I don't imagine it would even be possible to measure this on a large scale, especially given the variation in what a computer is actually trying to do. I think it's made even harder by the fact that software is often targetted at Windows or OSX rather than Linux, so even benchmarking software is near impossible unless you're writing software which is able to leverage the specific unique features of Linux which make it more opimized.

  • Energy efficiency of Linux compared to other, typically closed-source operating systems
  • You probably could, but reasonably there's not enough data out there to do this.

    Still, I'll mention that even with an AMD CPU and GPU, Linux does often lack support or configuration off-the-bat, to massively varying degrees. The well-known example of this is with Nvidia's propriety GPU drivers, which historically have been a massive issue, and will probably continue to be for a while even with Nvidia exposing more of its source code with its GPU drivers.

    The kind of support which I'm referring to, though, extends beyond this in many ways. One thing I didn't mention, for example, is software support for linux. Many linux ports fail to leverage the full potential of Linux, either because the developers don't know how to, or because they don't care to. I recently read a dev blog for Factorio relating to this issue. The developer spoke about a very specific optimization which can be applied to Linux when saving games, which, in short, allowed for games to be saved concurrently, improving performance. Using this feature requires programming specifically for linux. While Proton offers incredible gaming support on Linux today, this sort of thing is not something which Proton can magically make work on its own.

    The same sort of idea often extends out into other areas of software and hardware. Applications which have been directly ported to Linux without much consideration often fail to implement these sorts of additional features and optimizations.

    The issue of hardware is, indeed, slightly different. One key thing which is often overlooked by people when assessing this sort of thing is the optimizations and tweaks applied by the hardware manufacturers and vendors themselves. These tweaks are often highly specific to the hardware they're used for, and usually the vendors will only apply them to work with Windows, or the operating system which the laptop or computer ships with. Going back to the driver issue, the same thing applies. GPU manufacturers will often release high-quality drivers aimed specifically at Windows, offering optimizations which specifically benefit Windows. There's almost zero incentive for these companies to release the same, or on-par drivers for Linux, due to its smaller market share.

    What this means, is that a much larger amount of work needs to be done by the Linux community to create or improve drivers for specific hardware. Drivers which will work off-the-bat with Windows will not work at all with Linux, and companies which offer Linux alternatives for their drivers often invest significantly more time on their Windows-counterparts. This is only complicated by the fact that many hardware manufacturers keep their driver source-code highly secretive, so trying to program one or alter an existing one for linux is significantly more difficult.

    AMD, as you mentioned, is often much better than alternatives such as Nvidia when it comes to releasing these "secrets" or source code, which makes developing AMD drivers for Linux significantly easier, allowing driver developers to apply many more optimizations than they would otherwise be able to.

    In conclusion, then, the only way this can truly be fixed is if these companies choose to support Linux as much as they do Windows, which unfortunately won't truly happen until there's some sort of monetary incentive (ie Linux having a majority market share).

  • Energy efficiency of Linux compared to other, typically closed-source operating systems

    I'm posting this as more of a "fun thought" than anything else.

    It's generally considered a fact that Linux, along with many other open-source software projects, are more efficient than their propriety closed-source counterparts, specifically in terms of the code that they execute.

    There are numerous reasons for this, but a large contributing factor is that open-source, generally speaking, incentivises developers to write better code.

    Currently, in many instances, it can be argued that Linux is often less power-efficient than its closed-source counterparts, such as Windows and OSX. However, the reason for this lies not in the operating system itself, but rather the lack of certain built-in hardware support for Linux. Yes, it's possible to make Linux more power-efficient through configuring things differently, or optimizing certain features of your operating system, but it's not entirely uncommon to see posts from newer Linux laptop users reporting decreased battery life for these reasons.

    Taking a step back from this, though, and looking at a hypothetical world where Linux, or possibly other open-source operating systems and software holds the majority market share globally, I find it to be an interesting thought: How much more power efficient would the world be as a whole?

    Of course, computing does not account for the majority of electricity and energy consumption, and I'm not claiming that we'd see radical power usage changes across the world, I'm talking specifically in relation to computing. If hardware was built for Linux, and computers came pre-installed with optimizations and fixes targetted at their specific hardware, how much energy would we be saving on each year?

    Nanny Cath watching her YouTube videos, or Jonny scrolling through his Instagram feed, would be doing so in a much more energy-efficient manner.

    I suppose I'm not really arguing much, just posting as an interesting thought.

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  • Exactly. Climate change we have the chance to mitigate, and very possibly prevent / reverse. The heat death on the other hand is not only just a theory as to how the universe might end, but also something that would likely be completely out of our control, assuming that humans even survive a fraction of the time until then. Most likely, there'll be something else that kills us first.

  • Enjoy it while it lasts.
  • You do realize that the heat death of the universe would only likely take place in literally trillions and trillions and trillions of years time? Climate change is happening now.

  • Computer speakers were making a funny sound when plugged into my computer. Fixed it now.

    I own a pair of speakers which are powered by USB. I've had them plugged into my computer for a long while, but whenever I turned up the volume, I'd hear a high-pitched squealing sound from them which would fluctuate in pitch. For the longest while, I thought this was just an issue with the AUX cable, perhaps something relating to my GPU's coil whine.

    Recently, though, I more or less completely rebuilt my PC minus 1 of the hard drives, which I'm still using now. I noticed that the speakers were still squealing even with the new motherboard, PSU and GPU.

    A couple posts I found online indicated that the problem was likely due to an under insulated AUX cable receiving interference from EMF waves.

    Despite that, for whatever reason, I decided I'd try to plug the speaker's power cable into the USB port on my power outlet. The squealing completely stopped! I'm not sure if there is a difference with the power delivered by computers USB ports vs the outlet (Please do let me know if there is!), but the issue has completely resolved itself.

    Not sure if this is really the best place to post this, but I just really wanted to tell someone. I'm quite content!

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  • Generally I'm not against w3 schools for quickly checking the syntax of something or how to use a specific method, but I always try stay clear of their larger code examples.

    I was learning PHP a couple years back for some hobby side projects I was working on. They provide some code here about how to connect to an SQL database. I ended up using this code for almost a year on some publicly hosted sites.

    The code they provided isn't secure, though. It can output database errors to the client, and give away information about your database which a random user shouldn't have access to.

    Additionally, the beginning few pages for their SQL insertion examples doesn't mention anywhere that you should be using prepared statements. There is a page slightly further down, but for the average person learning the language, there's no reason for them not to just copy parts the extremely insecure code and use it in their projects.

    W3 schools imo is great for quickly checking up on something, but generally it's probably better to avoid their examples and look up the language standards somewhere else.

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  • Yeah, I was super gutted when I found out. Apparently it did use to work in the past when they used to serve the ads from different servers, but not any more, unfortunately. It's not completely pointless to install, though. It provides some great software out the box to monitor internet traffic on your network, and I'm pretty sure that in some cases it can speed up your internet by acting as a self-hosted DNS server.

    The reason UBlock works, is because it has direct access to the HTML, CSS and JavaScript sent to you. It can alter the web page directly. UBlock scans all the web pages you load, and automatically removes anything it recognizes as an ad. There's a lot more to it than just that, and it's a really clever tool, but essentially what it does is directly alter the code of the web page. Unfortunately, this isn't really possible to do from another device on your network. I did look into somehow setting up a device which scans all incoming traffic like Ublock does, and then removes adverts similarly, but this isn't really possible since HTTPS traffic is encrypted. Any attempt at removing the encryption would likely result in a heap of issues to using various services, and you'll likely get constant warnings on your browser about a page being insecure e.t.c.

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