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Outrage over ‘massacre’ in Gaza as Israel rescued four hostages

www.theguardian.com

At least 274 Palestinians were killed and 698 wounded in Israeli strikes on the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza, Gaza’s health ministry said on Sunday. The Israeli military said its forces came under heavy fire during the daytime operation.

The EU’s top diplomat, Josep Borrell, called it a “massacre”, while the UN’s aid chief described in graphic detail scenes of “shredded bodies on the ground”.

“Nuseirat refugee camp is the epicentre of the seismic trauma that civilians in Gaza continue to suffer,” Martin Griffiths said in a post on X, calling for a ceasefire and the release of all hostages.

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The Israeli military said its forces came under heavy fire during the daytime operation.
Uh huh. Then why aren't there almost 1000 Israeli military dead and injured instead of almost 1000 Palestinian dead and injured?
More lies again. As always.
- When did they come under fire? Before or after doing air strikes?
- This is a ridiculous take. They didn't come under heavy fire because they didn't take heavy losses? It's their very heavy response to the heavy fire that minimized their losses while taking a high toll on Palestinian civilians and militants.
  Do you think the hostages were unguarded and free to leave at any time because Israel said otherwise?
  
  Right, right... and Auschwitz wasn't a death camp - it was a pitched battle between a small group of heroic Nazis and overwhelming Jewish forces. Their clever use of Zyklon-B ensured the Nazi heroes didn't suffer heavy casualties.
  /s for all the shitlibs that can't smell all the hasbara stinking up this community.
  
  Do you think that Israeli forces are indiscriminately bombing and shooting Palestinian civilians to the tune of almost 1000 killed or injured?
  
  Yes. It's an unfortunate truth of military operations. But finding the enemy usually requires taking casualties. Not taking casualties and claiming you were under heavy fire gets the dirty eye. Cause nearly a thousand casualties and it demands a war crimes investigation.
Why were they holding military hostages in a refugee camp?
- Because Hamas is just a shitty as Israel. The only difference seems to be that Israel is far, far more effective.
  
  And that Hamas keeps military hostages in civilian refugee campus.
- Where else would it be safe to hold the hostages? The rest of the area is getting bombed to oblivion. Most of the hostages are probably under rubble.
  
  I hear there's this intricate network of tunnels they hide in.
- Israel detains many Palestinians including hundreds of minors without charge, on bases right in the middle of civilian towns. Heck, IDF headquarters is right in the middle of a civilian neighborhood in Tel Aviv. Does that mean Tel Aviv is a legitimate military target?
  
  Is there an active battle in that area? Or is that a secure area far from conflict? Because it sounds like your contention here is that Palestinian hostages are held in secure bases far from conflict. If I were a hostage and had a choice, I'd prefer to be where there isn't fighting.
- To maximize civilian casualties, obviously. Hamas profits off the deaths of Palestinian civilians, so why wouldn't they want civilians to die?
  They're now trying to come up with a justification to attack the pier Biden installed to prevent aid from getting in. So Palestinians will starve. Then people will be outraged and donate more money to Hamas. There's no downside for Hamas psychopaths.
  
  Yep, and the agencies disseminating these things come from a typical cast of characters (hello Turkey and Iran!). It's great that more aid is getting to Palestinians.
  https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2024/06/09/3100535/us-built-pier-used-in-israel-s-brutal-nuseirat-camp-attack-in-gaza-report
  US-Built Pier Used in Israel’s Brutal Nuseirat Camp Attack in Gaza: Report
  According to a report by The Cradle online news magazine, the Israeli forces carried out the assault on Saturday, killing hundreds of Palestinians and retrieving four Israeli captives.
  "The troops were then flown out of Gaza via the US-built pier, which had been reinstalled on the coast on Friday after undergoing tens of millions in repairs," The Cradle stated.
  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-support-israeli-forces-rescue-hostages-gaza/
  Video circulating online Saturday shows an IDF helicopter taking off from the beach with the U.S. pier in the backdrop. Two U.S. officials told CBS News that the U.S. pier was not used in the IDF operation. It is offshore to assist delivery of humanitarian aid. A U.S. official explained that the helicopter landed south of the facility on a beach but not within the cordoned area of the pier.
  "The pier facility was not used in the operation to rescue hostages today in Gaza. An area south of the facility was used to safely return the hostages to Israel," a U.S. official said. "Any such claim to the contrary is false. The temporary pier on the coast of Gaza was put in place for one purpose only, to help get more urgently needed lifesaving assistance into Gaza."
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- Where would you prefer they hold them? I mean it's not like Israel has left them any other choice.
  *** And I'm not saying I agree with taking/holding hostages. I'm simply responding to the question you asked.
  
  Maybe in a sectioned off portion of their tunnel system, one where Hamas fighters are defending them without Palestinian civilians in between. I haven't heard of Palestinians being allowed to camp out in there, so that might be a better place to keep hostages than apartment buildings. They could then keep fighting segmented more easily I would imagine and preserve more civilian lives.
I would feel guilt for the rest of my life if I were one of the rescued hostages. My life is not worth that many dead.
- Easy to say that while not being a hostage.
  
  Some of the loudest voices in the anti-war movement in Israel have been families of hostages. Considering the track record of their military action, exchanges and peace talks are a far safer way for their family members to be returned, and they are not happy in their loved ones being used as a pretext for a purge of Gaza's civilian population.
  
  I know right? Must be pretty rough knowing every second you could be killed by the rabid dogs of the IDF even though you have supported them all your life with your taxes if not ideologically.
- But I'm guessing you're not Israeli, and therefore been indoctrinated since birth to see Palestinians as some sort of wild animals to be culled and kept at bay.
  
  So racist?
Those single quotes are doing some work.
Not surprising as Israel's government has shown the world that they don't care about human life. They literally have concentration camps.
I wonder if there is a number at all for which hammas would say “you know what, holding 100 hostages is just not worth so many dead people of our people, maybe we should just give them back”
- The IDF flattened Gaza, I'd be surprised if even 20 hostages are alive at this point. Also even if they gave them back I doubt Israel would stop, this rescue was pretty much done to keep their coalition government together, they haven't been too interested in getting anyone back outside of that.
  
  The major party in coalition literally resigned the day of the rescue. There are currently 100 Israeli hostages dead or alive in gaza. Israel will not stop until they find each and every one of them dead or alive. Hammas and Gazans themselves at some point should understand that this whole OCT 7 was a huge mistake. And im saying gazans here because not only hammas was involved in that shit. Those 4 hostages were held in homes of “civilian families” by “civilian people” with children and wifes and shit.
- The hostages are mere pawns leveraged by both military organizations and specifically by the IDF to justify the ongoing genocide. The IDF was killing their own citizens on October 7th alongside Hamas, and the Israeli government themselves issued that report. Israeli blockading of food supplies starves the Israeli hostages alongside the Palestinian civilians.
  Why would Hamas ever give up hostages if this is how Israel acts towards their own captured citizens now?
  
  Israeli blockading of food supplies starves the Israeli hostages alongside the Palestinian civilians.
  You're talking like Hamas didn't have a reason to keep the hostages alive.
  Dead hostages are worthless hostages
  
  “Ongoing genocide” The moment hammas is de weaponized and hostages are back all this would stop.
  “Blockading food” The state of Israel just presented today to the supreme court that 6000 truck per months entered gaza since hmammas started this shit. Thats not blockade.
  If Israel wanted to genocide gazans it could use much more efficient methods for this.
  To add to that that BY HAMMAS numbers they had 19000 of their own killed by now. That's about 1:1 (taking hammas claims for 35000 people killed so far) ratio to civilians so far. Pretty damn good for any military world wide. This is not how genocide lools Like.
- hammas would say
  Who in Hamas would say this? Is there any kind of leadership structure that hasn't been carpet bombed out of existence already? How would any two members communicate with one another absent an IDF strike team murdering anyone in a city block's radius from the call?
  
  obviously yes or the iron dome wouldn't still be shooting down rockets
Gaza Health Ministry is not a reliable source, they literally are Hamas, a terrorist organization.
- Oh yeah, like those 500 people that were killed in a hospital parking lot bombing by the IDF, according to hamas but turned out it was a hamas rocket dud and like 5 people died?
  Oh so reliable...
- Kinda hard to get a reliable source when Israel keeps killing reporters.
  
  B-but its ok! Anything to protect the n̶a̶r̶r̶a̶t̶i̶v̶e̶ hostages!
I think i'm slowly turning antisemitic
- I'm sure this is a joke, but just in case, try to remember there are lots of Jewish people against Zionism and lots of gentiles for it. Try to remember that.
  
  Yeah, I should have said that, sorry. It's just that this whole situations seems irrealistic.. like, the people that suffered a ethnic cleansing are trying to do the same, 70 years later? Wtf?
  
  I love in the US and every year and my brother-in-law is an American jew. Last year it was shit from conservative racists. Today, it's shit because of something Israel did.
  My guy is just trying to live his life and gets shit from so many sides.
- I sincerely hope this is a poor attempt at a joke because that kind of statement has contributed directly to the current situation. It is not antisemitic to criticize the Israeli government, Zionism, or the IDF and its actions. It is antisemitic to say the reason you are criticizing those things is because they are all Jews.
  Conflating those two not only makes it impossible to speak out against the atrocities being committed, it makes violence worse against Jews.
  
  It is not antisemitic to criticize the Israeli government, Zionism, or the IDF and its actions.
  This is not the narrative that Israel is pushing or that the U.S. adopts legally.
  Zionists are royally screwing over the Jews.
- Spending all day looking at fascist propaganda will do that. Maybe take a break from all crazy internet narratives surrounding this story. It's not like you can do anything about a conflict on the other side for the world.
How many terrorists would you be willing to let die in order for the military to rescue your kidnapped child?
There isn't a number too high for me. My child is worth infinitely more than kidnappers.
- Serious question: How many children would you kill to save your child? The latest numbers I've found show at least 64 children died in this raid.
  
  That is a lot of parents and siblings who will not forget this. They feel pain too, and will not respond well.
  
  All of them. I wouldn't sacrifice my own child for any number of other people.
- Good, now you're beginning to understand how the Palestinians feel.
  How many Israelis should die to allow your people to be free? There isn't a number too high. The Palestinians' freedom is worth infinitely more than an Israeli oppressor.
  
  Freedom and Kidnapping are not the same thing. I wouldn't kill people just to have a bit more land. I would kill a lot of people to get my child back.
- Like this 6-yo terrorist
  
  If your parents are a terrorist, they made poor choices which led to your death.
- Why don’t you reply to the replies?
  It seems you only care about the innocent people of Israel and not the innocent Palestinians.
  Shame on you.
  
  I have no shame here, Israel got attacked and has a right to retaliate. It does not need to be proportional.
  When you want to stop violence, usually the best way to do so is your own overwhelming violence. See WW2.
- How many other children?
  
  All of them, if they're being used as human shields by their parents to prevent me getting my child back.

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