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I know I'll get downvotes to hell for saying this, but I think RFK would make a great president.
I know he's said some shit before. I'm aware of the ivermectin solution against COVID and some other bad stuff he said. But I think he based these ideas on the wrong information and wrong advice that he received. But his heart is at the right place.
He's done some great work at defending the environment and defending workers' rights and fight against corporations, which are things he genuinely cares about very much.
I think with the proper counsel that white horse experts can provide him, he can be a very good president.
RFK is a skid mark on the Kennedy name. He knowingly snake-oiled ivermectin, counter to the data and extreme majority of medical professsionals. Don’t pretend it was an “oopsie- he was told the wrong thing!” That’s super disingenuous.
He’s not even a good snake oil salesman. If you honestly believe the shit you used to defend him, I have some tickets to heaven I can get you for a killer discount lmao
Ok for sure the ivermectin thing wasn't smart. But it was the only alternative to the vaccine being talked about at the time. While that was a mistake, he does have a good point about pharmaceutical companies pushing out the COVID vaccines very quickly and making as killing in profits. Many people have reported serious permanent side effect to those vaccines. Maybe there should've been a bit more quality assurance or more tests to ensure there wouldn't be any problems. Then again, it was in a period where the vaccine was absolutely necessary and as soon as possible. So... Yeah. We didn't really have a choice.
Ok for sure the ivermectin thing wasn't smart. But it was the only alternative to the vaccine being talked about at the time.
It was not. It was a flight of utter fancy. It was a fiction.
While that was a mistake, he does have a good point about pharmaceutical companies pushing out the COVID vaccines very quickly and making as killing in profits.
He does not. No one got rich off of the COVID-19 vaccines. In fact, vaccines in general are not a cash cow for the pharmaceutical industry. I'm not saying the industry is populated by good people—lol nope—but if you follow the money it doesn't go far because there isn't much of it. They get the good PR from selling vaccines, and then they make money from ED pills and such.
Many people have reported serious permanent side effect to those vaccines.
No they haven't. And don't try to toss VAERS data at me; it'll just prove that you don't know what that database is. In reality the side effects from the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are almost miraculously low—somewhat lower than the industry standard in terms of occurrences, and much lower than the industry standard in terms of severity. Most importantly, though, they were dramatically lower than just catching the disease.
Maybe there should've been a bit more quality assurance or more tests to ensure there wouldn't be any problems.
mRNA vaccines have been in development since 1993. The pharmaceutical industry wasn't pushing it because traditional vaccines were good enough (read: cheaper) between 1993-2020, but the R&D was consistent for that time.
Then again, it was in a period where the vaccine was absolutely necessary and as soon as possible. So... Yeah. We didn't really have a choice.
We definitely did need the speed of mRNA in vitro transcription vaccines at the height of the pandemic. But it's not like this was a "second-best" option, or a case where we were settling for something.
I implore you, get your medical information from reliable sources.
Ok. You make very good arguments. And I do believe that you are correct. But just one thing though, yes there has been reports of people having some bad permanent side effects after taking the COVID vaccine, but as you mentioned, r those were indeed very low in occurrences. I've read somewhere that it was lower than the occurrence of bad permanent side effects in contraceptive pills for women for example.
You are perpetuating dangerous lies in an attempt to defend a horrible liar. You need to REALLY consider why the fuck you do that. Educate yourself before spewing that nonsense.
Honestly don't even need to point out the liar part
Just point out that he has brain damage from a worm literally eating his brain. He could have made all the right choices and that still makes him a horrible person to put in charge just from a mental acuity angle
He was a hack long before the brain worm. The worm thing is absolutely pertinent and you are correct that should preclude him from any serious run, but he’s been selling snake oil for a looooong time and has many reasons beyond mere medical stuff that should top the list of why he’s a piece of shit leader.
I'm not trying to perpetuate lies. I want to have a discussion about that candidate and hear what other people have to say.
I don’t know what to tell you if you need to have a discussion about a grifter. To take him seriously, you have to pretty seriously have zero knowledge about what he lies about. If that’s the case, perhaps you should be researching the topic with a reputable source instead of playing devils advocate for a lying POS.
You have to be utterly stupid or willfully ignorant to A) take him seriously B) ignore the fact that his claims were, to an extreme degree, publicly refuted.
But sure, tell me more how you expect us to seriously discuss the merits of Mr. Brain Worm.
I am pretty ignorant about the guy. Not gonna lie. I only recently started checking him out because I learned Woody Harrelson supports him. I guess I haven't checked enough good sources about him though.
If you’re ignorant about the guy, maybe try not playing devils advocate and spreading his lies. Do some basic research before muddying discourse and looking like a knob.
Hey look, I just happened to read some things about the guy that put him in a good light and he appeared to be a pretty decent guy. And Woody Harrelson was supporting him and had contributed in making a video debunking all the crazy things said about him.
It's not my fault if I just happened to stumble on information that was favorable towards RFK and happened to learn about his existence through those.
God damn.
You said "many." That is definitively false.
One of the main jobs of the president is assigning work to other people. The president isn’t supposed to be the best economist, the best strategist, the top scientist, or the best trade planner. They’re supposed to make decisions based on the input of the people they selected for the position.
My biggest concern with Bernie (who is someone I absolutely admire and who I’ve supported for decades) is that he is total crap at picking staff and then he stays loyal to them.
There’s a tendency in western political philosophy that basically says that the king himself is a good person, but he has bad advisors. This is done for ego-saving, as people would rather criticize advisors than the king.
RFK is truly unhinged. He’s a conspiracy theorist. He’s the weird uncle you don’t invite to Thanksgiving. I wouldn’t let him house sit for me. If the guy can’t even win over his family members, I don’t think he’s promising. He’s being funded to run as a spoiler by the opposition, and I expect his support to plummet as soon as he’s actually put in front of a mic and gets national attention. Remember when Herman Cain was the Republican front runner until people figured out more about him? I think this is basically that.
I'd actually really like to see how he would fare in a debate. I'd really like to hear what he has to say.
I think the media is giving him a bad rap on purpose because American media is so biased and is completely bought by the Democrats or Republicans.
Also, for the record, I'm not American or living in America. So I'm from the outside looking in. I've read some of the stuff RFK said and it doesn't sound like he's unhinged or a conspiracy theorist. Except for the death of JFK and his father and how that was the CIA. But, I wouldn't even be surprised if that was true. America's so fucked up.
Also, for the record, I'm not American or living in America.
Makes sense, because you definitely sound like someone trying to undermine US interests by stumping for this guy
Yeah. I'm a Russian disinformation agent working towards the fall of American democracy.
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I don’t really think you are a Russian disinformation agent; my statement was an attempt to point out that you were at the very least playing the part of a useful pawn for people who want to undermine our election.
However, if you genuinely think that RFK jr is worthy of consideration in this election, I genuinely think you’re an idiot.
Maybe I am an idiot. I'd be willing to admit it if I was presented with the evidence that RFK is a complete crackpot.
But I have a gut feeling that there's something bigger at play here and that the American media, which is extremely biased in general towards either the Democrats or the Republicans, might actually be doing a smear campaign against him because he is very much anti-capitalist. Or at least anti-corporation.
He has been praised in the past for doing good deeds for working class people and the environment and fighting the system.
On the other hand, the pandemic really had brought out the worst in some people. And maybe that was the case with RFK. I'm still learning more about him.
For example, I've distanced myself from one of my best friends from childhood since the pandemic because of his views on vaccines and mask mandates and every other measures implemented and all the conspiracies surrounding them. I've been encouraging people to get vaxxed and to follow the measures in place because I knew it was for our collective best interest and to help minimize infections and deaths and allow us to get out of that pandemic as quickly as we could. That period really brought out the worst in him and that was mostly because he started to follow more conservative channels, and the whole internet algorithms simply pulled him further down that path.
But I have a gut feeling that there's something bigger at play here and that the American media, which is extremely biased in general towards either the Democrats or the Republicans, might actually be doing a smear campaign against him because he is very much anti-capitalist. Or at least anti-corporation.
The reason it’s always D vs R is systemic. Our election system punishes similar candidates that run against each other. Because of this, our political parties are more like coalitions, made up of a number of different groups who strategically send out only one candidate, which is decided in primary elections.
As a result, the people who end up running third party for president are usually delusional, looking for attention, or intentional spoilers. So the fact that RFK jr has a screw loose is not surprising, and I would be more concerned about a conspiracy if our media elevated him to the level of the other candidates when it is undeserved and detrimental.
To your last point, we always said that at least GWB had “good advisors” but that just made him easier to manipulate. I don’t think it’s bad that we expect the president of the whole country to be smart. I want them to be smarter than me!