Socdems being cringe part 4: DSA chapters act like chauvinists during Cuba trip
Socdems being cringe part 4: DSA chapters act like chauvinists during Cuba trip
Honestly its rude to be invited by a country to meet their president who decided to respond to your criticisms of their administration only to not show up and go meet the opposition.
Being invided and then no showing shows complete disregard to basic diplomatic Etiquette since it was a mission to show solidarity against the embargo
Bonus socdems being cringe part 4.5: about another member that didnt show up to the presidential meeting
Deeply unserious people
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In general this is something I notice among the western left. They call themselves communists, but actually hate and disagree with the social and economic policies that every single AES country led by a communist or socialist party has tried to implement or actually implemented. I notice it a bit on hexbear too. AES countries are actually attempting to build an equitable society, as a country is first and foremost a society. This means actually wielding political power and making controversial decisions. And even when the western left and an AES state agree on a policy, the western left will still find a way to say the very policy they agree with is actually bad all of a sudden. See the comments on Cuba's family code.
Also for those in the West who critise the economic systems of AES states, you will have to take the very same steps as these AES countries on the long road to socialism if you plan to seize state power.
Nevertheless, the establishment of a state capitalist regime is unavoidable, and will remain so everywhere. The developed capitalist countries themselves will not be able to enter a socialist path (which is not on the visible agenda today) without passing through this first stage. It is the preliminary phase in the potential commitment of any society to liberating itself from historical capitalism on the long route to socialism/communism. Socialization and reorganization of the economic system at all levels, from the firm (the elementary unit) to the nation and the world, require a lengthy struggle during an historical time period that cannot be foreshortened.
- Samir Amin, on China 2013
Pretty much every local communist group I've tried to be active in has this problem. They always have to sprinkle in something about Chinese or Soviet Imperialism, then (no surprise) tell us that Palestinians should join with Israel workers, and same for Ukrainian and Russians. No real understanding of anti imperialism and what forms it will take. Always finding a reason why we can't support any real concrete opposition to western hegemony.
One of these communist groups even told me that South Africa today is just as bad, if not worse, than when under Apartheid. And they also hated the Black Panthers.
So much work needs to be done in the West.
One of these communist groups even told me that South Africa today is just as bad, if not worse, than when under Apartheid.
That's not communist that's just reactionary and chud talking points. I've lived there for my entire life as a "born free" (born after the end of apartheid which happened in 1994) , it is most definitely not as bad as apartheid. I've heard the stories from older people, the country is better now in many ways. South Africa is just a third world/global south country with those kind of problems. From corruption to crime to unemployment to failing state infrastructure.
Completely agree with you. It was such a shit take and that and their take on Hamas was the last straw, I left (sorta got kicked out). See response Nocturne Dragonite for more info. They legit see themselves as communists, but for practical purposes are shit. It really discouraged me for a while because them and a trotskyist group (sorry for sectarianism) with bad takes on AES and any actual existing anti imperialism were the only communist groups I could find in the whole area. Just horrible chauvinism all around.
And they also hated the Black Panthers.
Any org/group whatever that hates the BPP are reactionaries and should never be trusted.
I agree completely, I didn't realize this was their point until after I joined. I admit, I didn't do the due diligence of research into the group before joining. I knew, and was friendly with, some people in the group before joining and my desire to stop being an armchair communist made me jump the gun. The only other group in the city was a trotskyist group, this one was an anti revisionist Marxists Leninist (so they call themselves). They legit see themselves as communists. Just the type of western communists to hate ever AES and any meaningful group, won't support Hamas because it's not along class lines, etc etc.
Quickly learned and gtfo
If PSL were around I would have joined them :(
Also, I think they hated the BPP because they had some jealousy that China supported BPP and not them. Not completely certain if that's the reason. Trivial and embarrassing shit.
If it's not personally identifying, what communist org(s) are you talking about that hated the BPP?
I am afraid to doxx myself if I say. I was a little afraid to even mention the above incident, but I'm probably being paranoid. I'll give hints, and just indirectly doxx myself lol.
They call themselves an anti revisionist Marxists Leninist group. They were maoist in the 60s. They worked with SDS in the 60s.
They then broke with China. One of the reasons they state was due to China's "elevation" of the Black Panther Party as the vanguard in the United States. I guess they were jealous. They also are really anti black nationalism, and just nationalism in general. They won't read Fanon. They complain about Palestinian flags at protests because of "nationalism".
Like I said in another reply, I didn't do the due diligence before joining - my mistake. It also discouraged me because it is either that group or a trotskyist group (sorry for sectarianism). So barren.
Thanks for the details! Please don't feel any pressure to doxx yourself in any way! My curiosity is worth much less than your comfort and safety.
In general this is something I notice among the western left. They call themselves communists, but actually hate and disagree with the social and economic policies that every single AES country led by a communist or socialist party has tried to implement or actually implemented. I notice it a bit on hexbear too.
The theory of communism that I've constructed in my very special, unique, pure, leftist brain that is free of propaganda is superior to whatever hard work actual people out in the actual world are doing to construct a better world. /s
The hurdle that I had to jump over when I progressed from socialism to communism was this exact one. Around 2019-2020ish, I had gifted kid brainworms, heightened by my university degree, that were still writhing around in there about how I was the smartest and specialest politics and geopolitics understander the world had ever seen.
Only once I purged those brainworms and realized that I am actually an online Westerner who doesn't really know shit about fuck; once I realized I was full of assumptions about what socialism and communism and anti-imperialism and democracy should be, rather than how they actually manifest in the real world; once I realized that I have been poisoned by individualism at a fundamental level since I was born into society and needed to accept that my opinions really just aren't that important, especially to those doing the work of anti-imperialism like Hamas or Cuba or the DPRK; once I accepted that I should learn and listen to what people on the ground were saying and not just sit in a hermetically sealed online treatbubble, could I fully say I was a communist