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I find it funny that when people from other instances disagree with something here, they introduce themselves in a similar fashion as you:

I’m an advocate for democracy, human rights, and civil liberty with an aversion to harm

Every socialist is an advocate for these things as well. How can someone advocate for workplace democracy without being an advocate for democracy in general? Isn't working to alleviate poverty (like China, where they have already lifted 700+ million people out of it) a victory for human rights? Isn't a system where everyone is accountable and can't use their wealth to circumvent the law an improvement for civil liberties? And lastly, every human who isn't a psychopath has an aversion to harm..

Meanwhile, liberalism also claims to advocate for these things, but with no actions to back them. How can someone claim that choosing which rich people party to vote for every 4 years is democratic? Yet most people don't challenge this claim. How can someone claim to be an advocate for human rights but take no action against homelessness and poverty? Historically, why is it that most (if not all) human rights declarations happened in slave-owning and/or imperialist countries?

Capitalism has killed countless people and continues to do so today in places like the USA, China, and Russia as well as around the world. Greed and wealth disparity is a disease ever-present.

Okay. Good so far.

Historically, plutocracy was the cause and justification for many horrible atrocities including the Atlantic Slave Trade and the Opium Wars.

Incorrect. It was settler colonialism and imperialism that directly drove both of these atrocities and then some.

I've personally never met a Liberal who defended any of those things

It doesn't matter. Liberalism is the ideology of capitalism, which also whitewashes crimes committed by the US. And there are plenty of liberals who would happily put people like me back in chains for not voting for their "harm reduction" candidate.

You know what I would never do, though? Compare communism/socialism to whatever the fuck the Chinese Autocracy is. That's just delusional.

whatever the fuck

If you don't know what is actually going on in China, it's probably better not to speak as an authority on it. Good intentions don't inherently make you any more effective at being well-informed. You can be more well-informed still, if you translate the intent to a certain amount of humility about what you know and find the right people to listen to. Right now, how you come across to me is a western chauvinist who is determined to oversimplify the world and pretend other cultures and peoples are identical to yours, while speaking from a position of implied superiority of knowledge and understanding of the world.

You might think that's a lot to extrapolate from your post, but the tone of your post is a lot more generic of an ideological position than you might realize. It's good that you recognize the harm capitalism causes. But that can't be the end of it or you miss the larger picture of the world's development and history. You have to recognize what colonialism and imperialism are, as a bare minimum, and preferably attain some understanding of how the targets of these things have developed in their efforts toward self-determination. Notably, the western empire is still an ongoing thing to contend with. If you exclude that from your understanding of nations, you will be viewing the world through a simplified lens of "good/bad nation" and missing a large portion of not only development and the whys behind it, but also information and bias, and being able to recognize, for example, that much of the "information" you will find from the western empire about China is coming from a place of empire wanting to undermine it.

Recognition of biases is pivotal to going further than condemnation of vague descriptions of reality like "greed." Greed is real, but it is insufficient to explain the mechanisms of development of a nation, a people, much less the entire world. Choosing to consciously side with colonized people's over colonizers is a form of bias, but this does not make it bad. There is no escaping bias. There is no ideology where you can be above the fray. The question is, do you come to recognize the biases and choose sides, or do you pretend to be above it and condemn vague descriptions of behavior that are commonly associated with immoral action. The second one might make you feel good, but it offers no materially proven solutions to the problems of the day. The first one is what history is actually operating on and will continue to operate on, whether you recognize the mechanisms or not.

iirc they put basically every death that happened under socialists countries, even natural causes such as old age that you mentioned, and diseases, and boy oh boy, 100 years of colonization, rural and illiterate china did have a lot of diseases, a lot of people was dying from easily preventable or diseases that were eradicate in capitalist center.

and as you mentioned, people that never existed in the first place, used a wacky population growth chart for china, that didn't come to reality, so they counted this as victims too.

Don’t forget the White Army! You would think that anticommunists would feel at least a tinge of shame or concern for honoring violent antisemites alongside infants who died from famine, but nope, it doesn’t bother them at all.

When I was editing Leftypedia, my most popular page was the one responding to the ‘100 million deaths’ meme. Somebody griped about how I did not include a less inaccurate death toll for communism, so I gave that my best shot. That was the worst mistake that I made there. The anticommunists who saw that page ignored everything but the less inflated total that I proposed and they whined about it. Finally I just took it out because they wouldn’t stop missing the point.

This is my favourite reply:

Even so, it still raises a very important question: why would any state kill so many people?

Why would the Nazis kill so many people... oh wait... can we even do that?

Why not? What is wrong with asking that? Isn’t determining criminals’ motives necessary for, you know, crime prevention? What good is consecrating an atrocity to the point where we aren’t allowed to even speculate on its exact causes?

Carelessness like that is one of the reasons why I usually don’t bother trying to reason with anticommunists.

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

• yewtu.be
• inv.nadeko.net
• yt.artemislena.eu
• piped.video

Remove the stuff about the Jewish conspiracy and you more or less get what liberals believe today. Especially the thing about how socialism "denies the individual worth of the human personality" is treated like a common sense truism by even the most well-meaning radlibs.

"If you could get liberals to read Mien Kampf, they would realize just how similar their politicians are to Hitler"

She probably enjoyed it more too...