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Programmer Humor @programming.dev nifty @lemmy.world 8 mo. ago

Brainfuck is the sixth circle

More details in the compete post: https://www.tumblr.com/lavenderhorns/705277666010464256/every-now-and-then-i-remember-that-malbolge-exists?source=share

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"Malbolge was very difficult to understand when it arrived, taking two years for the first Malbolge program to appear. The author himself has never written a Malbolge program. The first program was not written by a human being; it was generated by a beam search algorithm designed by Andrew Cooke and implemented in Lisp."

All right, WHAT THE FUCK
- In the soap opera General Hospital, Colonel Sanders of KFC makes a guest appearance because someone is trying to kill him to obtain the secret recipe of 11 herbs and spices. He knows Malbolge and is able to disarm the destruct sequence.
  
  … I… what?
  
  I thought you were kidding.
  
  https://youtu.be/4T50w1BWCro?si=mlSizqEAnJ_5wb5n
  
  That soap opera apparently has 15000 episodes and has been airing since 1963....
- This is peak programming. That's it. It's done. We can pack up and go home now.
- Sounds like Javascript and co-pilot to me.
- My God!
  
  Got you covered, friend.
- Fuck... all the big tech corps got some catching up to do
Apparently, this is the code for a Hello World program in Malbolge:

(=<#9]~6ZY327Uv4-QsqpMn&+Ij"'E%e{Ab~w=_:]Kw%o44Uqp0/Q?xNvL:H%c#DD2^WV>gY;dts76qKJImZkj
- Looks like the backticks in the program messed up the formatting a bit, here's it with fixed formatting.
  
  (=<`#9]~6ZY327Uv4-QsqpMn&+Ij"'E%e{Ab~w=_:]Kw%o44Uqp0/Q?xNvL:`H%c#DD2^WV>gY;dts76qKJImZkj
  
  Not that it's any more intelligible. :D
  
  What steps did you take to fix the formatting?
  
  (Save me the Unicode identifier / dive into console :) )
  
  Ah, yes! Much better!
- Huh. Looks just like Perl.
- behold, the language of the gods
  
  Biblically correct hello world
  
  Idiomatically nonsensical, as all things should be.
- Beautiful
- And I've heard it took years until someone managed to do it
- Mom, put down the phone, I'm using the modem!
- Holy cow.
The Base3 arithmetic alone makes me deeply upset

Base36 is where it's at! Super divisibility, 0-Z keyspace, and "10" is a Square that's also the product of two squares.

Plus you can count to "40" (144) on your hands!
- How do you count in base36 on your hands? I seem to only have 10 (decimal notation) fingers
  
  You can count up to 1023 in base 2 using your fingers to represent 0s and 1s.
  
  Each hand is one base-6 digit.
  
  https://www.seximal.net/finger-counting (SFW)
  
  Using your thumbs as pointers, count the joints in your fingers on one hand, that gets you to 12, use the other hand's finger joints to count the thirds within 36, with 4 fingers on the other hand, that's "40"
Despite this design, it is possible to write useful programs.

Interestingly, this applies to C++ too.
So is there a 9th circle? Would that be a programming language where the only way to compile would be to speak op-codes out loud in the correct sequence & cadence into a microphone?
- oh my god don't give them any ideas for tonal programming languages
  
  Too late, take a look at teletext and RDS for radio, and also literally the very first cable free TV remote controls
- There's a conlang introducing phonemic hats, so why the hell not?
- A bunch of rocks.
- High Ceremonial Programming(k)
Looks interesting. Except for the fact that an instruction is modified after execution, this is quite simple in the end. Unless I missed something. But yeah, self-modifying instructions makes loops really hard.
"counter-intuitive crazy operation" meh, we already have that, it is called Haskell.
- Haskell's crazy operation is intuitive though. Assuming you're talking about >>=, it's just a generalized flatMap.
  
  This is probably a rather controversial topic in the haskell community. Haskell library and base has a tendency to provide “too many“ infix operator (at least IMO), many of which makes code hard to read for beginners and experts alike.
  
  See the discussion here: https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell_programming_tips/Discussion#Use_syntactic_sugar_wisely
- Haskell is abstract, and very different from other popular languages, but I actually find it very intuitive. At the very least, the type system makes it extremely predictable.
  
  I didn't imagine a joke would attract this many people defending Haskell. LOL.
  
  I personally would say I hate Haskell the least among most of the PL I know, maybe except ocaml. Haskell is probably the second if not the most popular programming language (not including proof assistant) in my field, next to Ocaml; and I have been teaching it for couple years. My work is also heavily involved with category theory, so I don't personally mind the category theory jargon.
  
  But all of these doesn't mean Haskell is without its flaws. For this post in particular, I am referring to one of the long standing debate in the haskell community of whether Haskell user and developer has a tendency to overuse exotic infix operators: https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell_programming_tips/Discussion#Use_syntactic_sugar_wisely
honesty I never understood why people consider malbolge so bad . sure its difficult AF to do anything in and the complexity gets quite higher still , but IMHO its just to abstract to be painful , it feels to different to feel like something you should be able to understand .

honesty struggling to write simple operations in some of my own esolangs was way more mind-bendingly horrid than I think malbolge could be without making a compiler to it , while still feeling like I was programming .

to be fair I also made ArrayFuck so yeah

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