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Entering a vehicle or sometimes just walking past it exposes that person to that auto manufacturer's privacy policy.

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‘Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed By Mozilla — Including Ford, Volkswagen and Toyota — Flunks Privacy Test

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Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed by Mozilla

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Hmm, but I did not agree to those privacy policies nor was I provided with a copy.
This seems like potential grounds for a lawsuit. Anyone have an idea how to demonstrate harm?
- I'm pretty sure the EU GDPR requires explicit & clear consent for data collection.
  That's up to a £17.5m fine or 4% of your annual turnover, whichever is higher
  
  That’s nothing.
  100% of last years profit. Make them almost die the first time and utterly ruin them if they do it a second.
  Sick of these insignificant fines that do nothing to stop these companies.
this makes me love my bike even more
Does anyone know of a resource for figuring out where the SIM cards are in all these modern cars? You really can have all the privacy you want if you remove the ability of these spywheels to call home.
- Why wouldn't they be an eSIM?
  
  Next best thing would be to install a little Faraday cage over the cellular antenna.
  
  fair point!
- Probably the equivalent of where the Death Star's weakness lies. Hard to reach on purpose.
  
  For sure -- but I'm not asking if average joe-asshole can figure out which end of the screwdriver works best. I'm asking if there's resources for where in the car the black boxes live. Service manuals - ect.
- Sorry to say but I bet they are eSim
With phones, doorbells, TVs, cars, and more all recording constantly, will there be any space left that offers actual privacy?
- Back to Cave
Can't they just make dumb EVs for now? I mean we don't have to go all out Starks Enterprises with every EV to attract customers. I still need buttons and things i can feel while driving.
- Not related to EVs at all. Every new, feature rich car, is like this.
  Camera systems for semi-autonomous driving, blind spot warnings, and parking assist. Always on cellular connections for maps, navigation, and roadside assistance. The tech has been in most cars for a decade or more. It's the last 5ish years the manufactures realized they could collect all the data and have another revenue stream.
  
  They must be loving it, charging customers for 5 subscriptions for 1 car, then sending all that users data from using those subscriptions to advertisers for more profit.
  
  ok.
  does this issue not affect EVs or something?
- The problem is tech is cheap, especially software. Even moreso when the data you gain is so valuable.
Yikes...
Well, this finally gives a reason to be grateful that my vehicle is a very old hand-me-down
Confirms my bias to not buy newer cars than the early 2010s. My last new car was a 2011. It is just right with OEM Bluetooth hands free but navigation etc is handled by the phone. The controls are still knobs and buttons. Not a screen in sight
What do they mean by "genetic information"?
Hey NAL but that is not legal.
- My privacy policy of charging 100mill per bit of data collected is valid if it was.
Researchers found data is being gathered by sensors, microphones, cameras, and the phones and devices drivers connect to their cars, as well as by car apps, company websites, dealerships, and vehicle telematics. Brands can then share or sell this data to third parties. Car brands can also take much of this data and use it to develop inferences about a driver’s intelligence, abilities, characteristics, preferences, and more.
What the actual crispy-fried fuck is this? Drivers intelligence? Sexual activity?!?
- Sounds like any iPhone or Android with Google out there.

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