It's so nice to see people installing gender neutral bathrooms nowadays

Celebrating the confederacy is wrong, but I also think museum-like stuff and graveyards are harmless and should be respected. First of all, not everyone who served had much of a choice. Many were expected to serve on one side or the other merely because of where they lived. This is true of much of history. Second, they're dead. It's over for these specific people. They're not a current problem. It's just disrespectful no matter who it is.

I am NOT defending anything confederate, but I know that nuance is lost on most people.

I'm in total agreement, and have visited many union and confederate historical sites (graveyards, prisons, battlefields), which have been invaluable sources of information.
I broadly agree, but would point out that the huge number of statues erected during the civil rights era, celebrating people that led a traitorous war to defend slavery have little to no historical value, and were put in place to send a message echoing what those confederate leaders fought for.
We teach about the Nazis without celebrating them - I don't see why the Confederates should be any different.
- I don't see any statues in this photo. Nobody here is talking about celebrating the Confederate soldiers, only suggesting that their graves shouldn't be pissed on.
- Would make a meme about pissing on the grave of someone that served in the Wehrmacht?
I’ve been to this cemetery and house—the staff are beyond amazing when it comes to putting things into context. There’s even a giant sign before you enter that says something to the effect “Take a moment of somber silence before you enter, humans were enslaved here.” They’ve also done a lot of work with local black historians to try and trace the genealogy of slaves from the plantation and restore the slave quarters to show how horrific it all was.
statuses should be dismantled or at least stored away in some museum, we shouldn't treat them like heroes

Please don't actually disrespect these graves.

Jokes are jokes
- Yeah, until idiots on the Internet start taking them literally. See: 4chan.

And how many of those corpses were poor white trash duped into fighting to preserve a rich man's status quo?

I'm betting 98%.

Without looking and never studying American history, I bet >3% of the confederate soldiers were black slave soldiers fighting because their "owners" made them..
- You'd be wrong. Few things terrified the white southern aristocracy as much as the prospect of armed black folk. There was a black militia in Louisiana which, inexplicably, offered its services to the Confederacy. The Confederacy quite vehemently declined.
  well, not really inexplicably, but getting into race relations in former colonial French holdings and tbqh I don't feel like going through that right now

I think this is rather distasteful.

Whatever side they fought on it would do well to remember that these people too have their stories. How many were dragged in to fight in the meat grinder, no matter their opinions?

Even German graves from WWII are typically left alone because they already paid the ultimate price.

Edit: if anything, this should serve as a reminder what war really is and why we should always avoid it if we can

There's an old saying that the Civil War was "a rich man's war, but a poor man's fight".
The National Parks Service put this together, and I think it really shows the people who died were fighting for a variety of reasons. It doesn't mean we should glorify the Confederacy, but the people in that cemetery deserve their peace.
https://www.nps.gov/apco/planyourvisit/upload/Why-Confederates-Fought-Final.pdf
Rush Limbaugh's grave, on the other hand, will always be a gender-neutral bathroom.
Even German graves from WWII are typically left alone because they already paid the ultimate price.
Jesus fucking Christ.

If John Bell Hood had had his head blown off instead of his leg, he'd probably be remembered as fondly as Jackson.

Fortunately (for the Union), he survived to "defend" Atlanta, then invade Tennessee. The Battle of Franklin being in that comedy of errors. The base wasn't named after him until 1942. By people who read enough history to know Hood commanded the Texas brigade, but not enough to know how he commanded it.

I salute General Hood on account that he's responsible for more dead Confederates than any two Union Generals.

Story time? Please?

The number of Confederate apologists in this thread is frankly insane. "Oh no! Someone is making jokes about pissing on the graves of traitors and slavers! What if there were some innocent people in there?? I mean, I realize that it's going to be really difficult to find someone who was so insanely stupid to not be aware that they were fighting for slavers and traitors, but what if they exist???!?! Are you going to piss on their grave, too!!!???!"

No, I think it's recognition that whatever crimes you think they've done, they've paid for it already in a permanent way. So joking about pissing on their graves (160 years later ffs) is ill taste. Feel free to smear shit or graffiti over confederate statues that seek to glorify the cause rather than memorialize the dead though since that is not the same thing.
I also think most common soldiers in the confederate army fought for no higher reason than they were drafted and had little choice; or they signed up to defend their state against an existential threat. If you look at recruitment posters of the time, they're talking of northern invaders raping and pillaging their women, property and lands.
- whatever crimes you think they’ve done, they’ve paid for it already in a permanent way
  Have they, though? Death isn't exactly unique. Regardless of how good or bad a person you are, everybody has death as their final fate. So dying for a shitty cause isn't exactly punishment, considering that people who were in favor of a good cause still met the same fate. Death isn't a punishment for being a shitty person, it's just a birthright.
  I also think most common soldiers in the confederate army fought for no higher reason than they were drafted and had little choice
  Ok, but you know who else was drafted and had little choice? The people who defected. Some of those same people worked to further the cause of abolition by operating the underground railroad. Some of them wound up in prison, and some of them were hanged. I don't have any sympathy whatsoever for someone who lacked the courage or morality to fight against evil. And I have even less sympathy for someone stupid enough to fall for basic bitch propaganda like what you described.
"Nazis deserve respect too!" these absolute cretins sob, "They were products of their time!"
It's a stupid joke. It's often best to just let the dead lie. In any case, the stones and dead that lay beneath them don't care - you can't hurt them or impress them.
You want to "get even" with them? Good! They did a bad thing and paid the immediate cost with the loss of their lives. But to truly get even - forget them and let them be lost to time and memory. As it stands, you obsess over them just as much as if you were a member of the KKK.
- As it stands, you obsess over them just as much as if you were a member of the KKK.
  You have some very strange ideas, my friend. What do you imagine my day-to-day life to be like? How often do you think I tell people that we should all piss on the graves of confederates? Hourly? Daily? Monthly?
  Don't you think that it's more likely that me defending pissing on the graves of Confederates has much more to do with the fact that I'm responding in a thread that was specifically about pissing on their graves?
  I mean, for fuck's sake; I didn't even make the thread. If anything, PugJesus would be the obsessed one; he made the fucking thread, after all.
  Is it that you think that I'm obsessed with the concept because I've made several replies in this thread? Well... I've made several replies in a lot of different threads. Usually, when someone replies to me, I will reply back. That's just how forums and communication in general work. Do you not do that? Careful! Better not reply to me, or I'll assume you're obsessed with me!

This meme makes me miss the old ShermanPosting subreddit. Excellent post

There's actually a ShermanPosting community here I made in honor of the old one!
https://kbin.social/m/ShermanPosting
- Hell yeah! Subscribed :)
We need a Sherman posting Lemmy sub

The best way to celebrate confederate generals is by melting down statues dedicated to them during the civil rights era and re-casting them into urinals

My uncle will be turned into a toilet when he dies. That’s he get’s for being a forced birther.

Apt username.
- Go ahead, I’ll give you another chance to respond like a real person.

Apparently civility politics is back in style for pleading for sympathy for... [checks notes] people who fought to uphold one of the most brutal forms of an already brutal institution in defense of white supremacy.

Won’t someone think of the slaveowners?
- I'll tell your great-granddaddy you said hi.
It's functionally the same logic as... [check notes] American civilians deserving to die in 9/11 for being complicit in American imperialism. Would asking Bin Laden not to attack the WTC count as "civility politics"?
- "Disrespecting the graves of soldiers who literally fought and died in a war for slavery is the exact same thing as killing civilians in a terrorist attack because a rich Saudi kid was assmad that infidels were on holy land in the early 90s"
  10/10

Tbh pave it for a parking lot

History is important, even history we disagree with. Especially history that some current ideologue wants to hide
These people being killed left suffering for their family and friends, a missing generation was a huge problem for their community
Most soldiers were likely fighting for their friends and communities. Maybe I’m overstepping for things I’ve never experienced, but I would be willing to bet that very few individual soldiers chose to be there to support slavery, or had anywhere near that amount of abstraction in their motivations

This is what a cursed place looks like. Somewhere you start desecrating and bad things will happen to you from some truly bad souls.

Would be a bit rough if someone actually did this

Misspelled "rad".
- What word would be the misspelled one?

I've argued this before, but if Russia has any hope to move towards capitalism rather than their current communist streak, whoever succeeds Putin would be wise to sell the opportunity to piss on Putin's grave.

If done smartly, this could be a really good opportunity for Russia. Imagine going to pissonputinsgrave.com and being greeted by several packages:

Base package - $15. You're in the neighborhood and you want to piss on his grave. Just buy the ticket, show the QR code to Igor and he'll look the other way while you enjoy pissing on the cunt.
Deluxe - $450. 5 nights in a 4-star Moscow hotel await you. Entrance to museums, the Kremlin and Putin's grave are included in the price. Enjoy pissing on his grave every night of your vacation, even multiple times a day. Igor will even aim your penis at the grave if you want.
Oligarch - $1000. Deluxe package, but with flights to and from your location included. Igor will come pick you up. Igor will insist on aiming your penis at the grave.
Remote - $5000. Why visit Russia when you can go to places that aren't shitholes? When you're truly wealthy, you can have your cake and eat it too. Igor will come to you. He will be carrying a gold cup with your name engraved on it in rubies. You may fill it with the liquid/solid of your choice, and Igor will take it back through customs somehow. You will receive a video of that very same cup being poured onto Putin's grave, and will receive the cup back as a souvenir, after it has been thoroughly sanitized. You can of course have Igor hold your penis at any point while he is visiting.

I... what?
... Russia isn't communist? And hasn't been since the fall of the Soviet Union?
- didn’t you know? capitalism is when you can sell things, communism is when things are bad

Yeah that'll teach those long-dead conscripts!

Yeah, fuck 'em.
What do you call someone 'brave' enough to die for treasonous slaver scum, but not brave enough to die against treasonous slaver scum?
Slaver scum.
Tens of thousands of men from the South volunteered to help their actual country's army. Many more resisted in other ways, took up arms as partisans, or simply left traitor-controlled areas. I have no more sympathy for conscripts of the CSA than I do for conscripts of Nazi Germany. Were they inherently terrible people? No, probably not. But they made a choice that was, ultimately, cowardly and evil, and they deserve no asspats on that account.
- Would you include literal child soldiers who had no idea slavery was a cause of the war in that "slaver scum" category?
  https://youtu.be/IBMcYCb9NDA
  If you watch that video, you can hear from someone who fought in the 26th Virginia Cavalry. Towards the end of the video, he celebrates the end of slavery, and blames the politicians for bringing them into the war. Many of the folks buried in these cemeteries were uneducated, rural children who only knew they were "defending their homeland from invasion".
  Do we really need to piss on their graves?
- Hey, we found a Good Person! Virtuously expressing themselves by pissing!

I also like that one big contiguous urinal they have in D.C near the Mall

Which one is that?
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Memorial_Reflecting_Pool#/media/File:Reflecting_Pool_from_Lincoln_Mem.jpg
  guessing this?
- The Vietnam one