Russia spreading false claims about Qur’an burnings to harm NATO bid, says Sweden
Russia spreading false claims about Qur’an burnings to harm Nato bid, says Sweden
Defence agency says Moscow is using the protests in Stockholm to stir tensions between Arab countries and the west
The first Quran burning event in Sweden was Paid by a party of the extreme right with Russian connections. The burning was in front of the Turkish embassy, to anger Turkey as much as possible, probably exactly to prevent Sweden from entering NATO.
So very obviously the Russians had part in it from the beginning.
Which one? That stupid Dane has been burning Qurans in Sweden since before the war began.
And it's a bit misleading to say paid. It's technically true, but it is a very low amount of money that's needed for a permit. It's 50 € or something like that.
While the Russians might have encouraged it, he would have done it anyways. He just loves attention.
I thought we all assumed that's what was happening anyways
But seriously, if anything fucky is going on rn, my default is that Russia is behind it. Kinda sucks because it's just another conspiracy theory, but it fits too well not to be true most of the time. The coups going on in Niger (and Mali and Burkina Faso before) are the most obvious examples. Less obvious is the disinformation campaign in Germany (and probably all over europe) against progressive policies atm.
I think it’s less about being against progressive policies and more about creating societal friction by supporting controversial figures and helping politicians that are pro-russia. The conservative/ alt right politics fit Russia, but more importantly those parties are often less critical of Russia (they don’t mind their anti human rights / free press autocratic tendencies as much) while also being underrated in the polls. Populistic anti-migration parties often aren’t taken seriously and rarely included in coalitions, but get a surprising amount of votes which can still be fairly useful to influence those countries.
The coup in Niger is directly tied to Russia through the Wagner group. Those assholes are neck deep in seemingly half the continent's internal strife.
Apparently the west is just sitting on their asses doing nothing with exponentially more resources than russia?
All these super well-funded intelligence agencies across the NATO alliance and not one of them can stop a bank transfer.
It’s pretty easy to believably say that the Swedish government supports Quran burning when they keep issuing permits for it.
If you wanna get a little background, they keep letting this Rasmussen guy burn em as a demonstration. What is he demonstrating? Why his legitimate ethnio-nationalist political beliefs which hold that there is no place in Sweden for Muslims. If that makes you wanna vote for him, he’s got his own political party (far right, naturally).
An easy parallel is calling the government that issues the kkk a permit to march in robes racist.
It would be real simple for the swedish government to put an end to this kind of talk, they’d just have to stop issuing protest permits and police escorts to people burning Qurans.
If you don’t want your enemies to be able to say you condone hate speech, stop condoning it.
Why do you need a permit?
You don’t, but if you want the cops to be there to protect you from the crowd you enraged by telling them for weeks that you’re gonna burn a Quran you gotta file for that permit.
It’s cool, I can burn the Quran, I don’t hate Muslims, I just hate Islam, the religion and history of all Muslims. Where am I gonna burn the Quran you ask? Why, in front of a mosque, in a predominantly Muslim neighborhood or in front of the embassy of a Muslim nation. Don’t worry though, I’m doing it to show that I hate Islam, not Muslims. Pay no attention to my extensive history of speaking in racial epithets toward muslim people, my association with far right anti Muslim groups or my political party that explicitly opposes allowing muslims to live in the country. Now please provide me a police escort so I’m not torn limb from limb in the process. Why no, I certainly did not intend to incite, what ever could have given you that idea?
This is like saying people should be able to burn crosses because theyre doing it to show that they hate Christianity (or in the case of a kkk offshoot that really existed: that it’s part of their Christian worship service). No one is out here burning crosses for any reason other than to signal hate. No one is burning Qurans for any reason other than to signal hate.
We can easily prove this by looking for someone burning a Quran who isn’t aligned with a far right party that has anti Muslim ideology, hasn’t spoken out against muslims and isn’t funded by groups that are.
There of course are none, because everyone burning Qurans is doing it as a form of hate speech.
LOL, so ridiculous. Islamophobia is a de facto requirement to join NATO
Actual queation, isn't russia like...MORE against brown people?..
They are but they are more against NATO than brown people, so they'll side with brown people to hurt NATO. I have a russian colleague that is the summary of Russia. I used to talk a lot with him and he was a racist and homophobic bastard, but he would act friendly towards indians and chineses because of political reasons.
No. Stop projecting Western pathologies onto your enemies. Russia certainly has its share of the Western mind virus, but so many of its cultures were not even considered White by Europeans. You could do research for the next year and try to compile all the evidence of Russia being against brown people and it couldn't hold a candle to even 1 of the Western European states.
Weird, then, that Turkey is in NATO. Are they afraid of themselves?
You can’t bring logic to a bad faith argument!
Ok Boris
It's so sad that you have to imagine your ideological opponents as paid shills of the government you know nothing about. It's too hard for you to imagine that I'm actually a born and raised American white boy who went through the same indoctrination everyone else around me did and through self-crit, studying history, and engaging in dialog with people who challenge my deeply held convictions that I ended up disagreeing with your deeply held beliefs. It's sad. I don't need to imagine you're something you're not in order to understand why we disagree.
Russia at the center of a whole hell of a lot of the tension and strife that the world has gone through over the last few years.
He is trying to destabilize the West in hundreds of different way and average folks just don't understand or actually would even believe. Far right candidates in Italy, France, the US and elsewhere. Stirring of the religious pot in Sweden and a few other Europeans countries. He has an army of Russian trolls online trying to spread misinformation and propaganda. The most obvious international meddling that he's done is invade Ukraine, but there is just so much more.
This list is from 5 years ago and so much more could be added, but much of the meddling we won't really know for years to come.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/09/07/alleged-russian-political-meddling-documented-27-countries-since-2004/619056001/
Brexit and trump are both russian victories
Oh absolutely, but there are so many more, it's scary.
USA you mean?
Whataboutism
Any Western reporting about how much Russia "meddles" in the affairs of others is laughable because the US and the Western European powers have done so much more, for so much longer, and far more effectively. If the goal is to stop meddling, try dismantling the West first, then go after the smaller threats.
Ah Whataboutism, classic
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Edgy teen angst comment right here.
So you want to dismantle the west, that is the most functional, equal and free region of the world and only then go after the "smaller threats" (that is f* Russia with its second biggest nuclear arsenal in the world, currently involved in a genocidal war to increase its territory, besides all the side conflicts from Syria to Niger). Just wow at your total delusion, that's what speaking from a point of privilege is.
They love ignoring it was US interference (Bill Clinton) in Russian elections that gave us Putin
Meddl loide
They certainly dont like competition, especially if competition does not follow their agendas.