Beeper's next iMessage for Android fix requires access to a Mac

lol.

Makes sense because they were spoofing real machine IDs. People want to shit on apple for shutting it down, but I would be fucking pissed if I started getting other people’s messages and notifications while having mine go to someone else.

Trying to build a business off of someone else’s services is scummy and Apple did the right thing. If they weren’t charging for it I might feel differently.

If they weren’t charging for it I might feel differently.
I don't think they ever charged anybody, they suspended that idea after the first outage.
Also, they were using their own fleet of Macs, hence why Apple was able to isolate them easily if they're all centrally located.
- My understanding of it (and I could be wrong I’m not that invested in this) is that the first iteration used their Mac fleet, while the second iteration was spoofing IDs. This would be the third iteration.
  It was a few days ago I read this, I’d have to look up the source again
  I have no problem with this third iteration. There’s plenty of Mac users with android phones. If you’re using your own machine ID, have at ‘er.

i really just do not get it, nor the fascination with it here of all places-- for a community that's so focused and energized by FOSS and FOSS platforms and FOSS projects, why does this community want to break into Apple's closed-source, walled-garden, proprietary ecosystem so badly, especially after maligning it every chance you people get? Practically every post about Apple here just trashes Apple for how terrible they are for being closed-source and proprietary with their ecosystem-- except when it comes to iMessage and their precious "blue bubbles" which, apparently, nobody can live without and must be accessed at all costs.

why not just make your own FOSS "blue bubble" chat app, but with blackjack and hookers that doesn't use Apple's servers or ecosystem? Why is iMessage the one white whale that the Android community (and people here on Lemmy) simply can't seem to get over?

I don't understand this either.
iMessage being closed down is a fantastic reason to push people to use Signal/Telegram/WhatsApp/Viber/etc. The excuse to get anyone to try anything else is "hey I have an android, can we use something else"
If iMessage integration ends up happening from a proprietary service like Beeper, now the argument becomes "well, just download Beeper, you can talk to us from there".
- Its an entertaining chickens-coming-home-to-roost situation for Apple's skeleton key service and I'm glad for it to be getting some much deserved scrutiny.
  On the other hand, its another distraction in the same way that "you need to update to our new iOS yeaterday spiel" is a distraction from the fact that
  LockDown mode > new update/patch that doesn't address all the main attack surface vulns
  Yeah, tho, I would never recommend iMessage to anyone I cared about and thats only one of the many reasons I would never give it the time of day. Signal is superior in basically every way except its not as ubiquitous but its also not a default opt-out first-party thing like iMessage.
The best argument I’ve heard is that it is the one halfway decent messaging app that a lot of non-tech people use.
So either you need to explain to grandma what a discord or telegram is or you get iMessage to work on the device you want to use.
The green bubble thing is also more than just the color of the bubbles. Many of the features of iMessage don’t work if the other person is on android.
- ok, i get that android users want to use iMessage, but that seems fundamentally incompatible (or at least paradoxical) with the constant Apple-hate and closed-source-hate that is rampant here and with android users in general.
I find myself thinking the same thing every time this comes up. The level of obsession is absurd.
I can tell all my friends to use the open source replacement, but network effects entrench a monopoly and Grandma is only going to use the stuff that’s preinstalled.
- if your argument is that FOSS alternative aren't worth pursuing because it's difficult, that's not a great argument. if i had to choose fighting a stubborn grandma or Apple's lawyer's, i'd choose the stubborn grandma-- but i've never met your grandma, lol!
But but but blue bubbles.
Which I also don't understand how that of all things is so super important, frankly I hadn't even really noticed it back when I had an iPhone.
- Fine, you are not personally affected by it, but the social disparity that is highlighted by people's need to feel exclusive and yet part of a tribe is the reason.

I still don’t know why anyone would go out of their way to use this. Just to be blue?

To send high quality media messages, use group chats, and use encryption with iPhone users who refuse to install a universal chatting app.
From what I heard, some kids are really into it and effectively blocking other kids who are not blue. So I can see some reason there.

As a European, this sounds like a very American problem. Over here, everyone uses WhatsApp and WhatsApp only since 2012.

It’s bad. People don’t even wanna use signal.

Beeper doesn't route every message through the bridge, just authenticates there periodically. They're also open sourcing that bridge now.