Lewiston shooting suspect found dead, law enforcement officials say

Yeah, some common sense gun laws would have helped. People hearing voices should not have guns in their possession.
- Already a law in Maine. They have a yellow flag law to stop this. We can’t go around knocking on every gun owner’s door and asking g if they hear voices.
  https://legislature.maine.gov/statutes/34-B/title34-Bsec3862-A.html
- Yeah here's me not wanting a gun for myself because I sleep walk. How is it that people with dangerous mental disorders can just get whatever they want?
- "common sense gun law" is meaningless
Nah, this blood, as with almost all mass shootings, is completely on the 2A people as far as I'm concerned.
Australia cleaned up their act in response to mass tragedy. Our society just isn't a society.
That would require some degree of cooperation and sacrifice. Modern Americans just don't have those qualities in us.
This is what our people have chosen to be.
- yep i realized this when a room full of dead 6 year olds wasnt enough for the 2a people to realize real people are dying for their fake security. ive lost hope
- We can't do what Australia did. 2nd Amendment aside (and that alone is a huge blocker), we have a much larger population and a much larger inventory.
  Australia confiscated 650,000 guns on a population at the time of around 18 million people. Even that was only 20% of the guns in the country.
  https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
  The United States has a population over 330 million with over 400 million guns.
  20% of 400 million would be 80 million guns. To take those off the street, we would have to run the equivalent of the Australian program 123 times.
  Logistically, it's impossible. Even without the 2nd amendment we don't have the capacity to do it. There's no way to collect and dispose of them.
- Our society just isn't a society.
  Which is why I'd prefer to have a gun
- Australia cleaned up their act in response to mass tragedy. Our society just isn’t a society.
  Australia didn't have a problem with mass shootings, then they had 1 mass shooting. They banned guns, and continued to not have problems with mass shootings. Doesn't prove anything. In fact they have more guns now than they did pre-ban
Don't forget the day before he killed people that this was "a good guy with a gun"
They need a red flag/extreme risk protection order (ERPO) law in their state, at the very least. If used, such a law could have prevented this. It's one of the things that Moms Demand Action has been pushing for.
- As soon as someone comes in with HI/SI that should trigger a response that removes all weapons from someone's home, a 72 hr psych hold, and informs all immediate friends/family that they are not to be allowed near guns/knives. Period

Of course he could have done that step first but instead another damaged and armed asshole imposes his demons on others and inflicts grievous pain on dozens of families before offing themself.

Yet another in a long list of isolated incidents because after trying nothing we’ve run out of ideas.

It's not like we've tried nothing; he should have been dealt with when he made threats, but the police don't want to act on the laws we have in place. They want to wait until a tragedy happens so they can feel like they're being heroes, apparently.
- police don't want more stringent gun laws because tons of them beat their wives and they'd be disqualified from carrying guns

The mass shooting was the 565th in the U.S. in 2023 and the deadliest so far this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive.

We’re almost at the end of the year. And I don’t think this incident was as deadly as incidents in previous years, so uh… good job guys? I guess?
- We've still got two months to go. At the average rate so far, if that rate holds, could result in ~56 more mass shootings before the end of the year.
GVA thinks someone stubbing a toe at a firing range is a mass shooting so whatever
- The problem isn't real because it hasn't happened to zoboomafoo. Sigh
- Need to do something about all these black mass shooters.
  (if it's not obvious that's sarcasm.)
- That's an exaggeration, but you're not far off.
  They count any shooting with 4 or more injured as a "mass shooting".
  I doubt that most people hear the phrase "mass shooting" and think "People at a party having too much to drink, get in an argument, the argument turns into a fight, guns are drawn, and 2 people on one side get shot and 2 people on the other side get shot."
  Example from my own back yard so to speak... 3 dudes from Texas show up for a marijuana buy from two brothers in Oregon. Buy goes bad, 2 Texans are killed, both brothers are killed, one dude walks away.
  https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2021/06/two-portland-brothers-two-marijuana-buyers-die-in-gun-battle-during-attempted-drug-ripoff.html
  GVA DOES count that as a mass shooting. I don't, for the simple reason that while those people were armed, and DID end up shooting 4 or more people, nobody went down there with guns with the INTENTION of shooting a bunch of people.
  For me, and I wish more people defined it this way, a mass shooting is when one or more individuals show up armed in a populated area with the express intention of shooting as many people as possible.
  That sort of shooting is FAR rarer. But nobody makes money off keeping people scared if that's the definition.

The US has both a gun problem AND a mental health problem. We need more immediate access to long term healthcare.

The addition of the 988 hotline is an ok start but mental health issues are still demonized and have limited resources.

Tragic underfunding + stigma = tragedies

Everyone check in on your friends and loved ones, too.

We need universal mental health care full stop. Even if you're against universal health care in general, and I don't know why anyone would be, start with universal mental health care.
Get people assessed, get them the treatment they need. If they need to be held the rest of their lives, figure out how to make that work safely and humanely.
- Even if you’re against universal health care in general, I don’t know why anyone would be
  To break it down:
  Degenerates want free shit, I don't want to pay for other people's free shit; make them get a job like everyone else if they want healthcare
  Free healthcare is the first step to full blown communism
  Free healthcare means death lists made by the government
  Liberals are trying to use free healthcare in order to turn the people against us conservatives
  Our country can't afford healthcare for everyone
  I feel dumber for having written in that voice, and dirty too, yuck.
  And now the retort for these arguments:
  Guess what, hoss, we're all paying for it either way, and usually a ton more if it's emergency instead of preventative care.
  Is that what your foxnews/oan/newsmax has been telling you? Do you think medicare is communism? Do you think the military is communism? It might be a form of socialism, but more like a single payer system, where the providers are everyday private doctors.
  Does medicare have death lists? Do the military hospitals have death lists? Does obamacare have death lists?
  Trying to give the people what they want and need for the better health of everyone is going to politically sway voters? Then better get on that boat before it sails, there's room for everyone!
  Our country can't afford the current mess of a medical system that we already have, largely due to spending the most out of any industrialized country, yet having worse health outcomes, and for the fewest percentage of citizens even getting care in the first place.
  So yes indeed, it is beyond me why in the fuck a large portion of my fellow citizens are hellbent on keeping the status quo (oh wait, it's due their thorough brainwashing that keeps them in that trance).
But let's be clear here, this guy did not do these things because he had a mental health problem. Dude had a plan, a really complex one, and had extensive training in the army to carry a plan out like this , to avoid being captured and to cause as much damage as possible. If he was just suicidal, he would have just offed himself instead of 22 plus other casualties he caused. Do not blame on what he did on his mental health problem and failure to get it sorted
I blame it on society as a whole, the failure to take away his guns whenever he checked into a mental health place, and for failure to take care of his veterans.
- I don't think you kill 18 people without a mental health problem.
the hotline is a copout to help people ignore the systemic problems fueling depression epidemic
- Oh the whole thing is definitely a broader socioeconomic and societal issue, for sure. That's why it's a crisis line and not a therapy line.
stigma
You're adding to the stigma by blaming this fascist terrorism on people with mental problems.
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2021/04/ce-mental-illness

Not even then. They'd try to increase militarization of the police instead.
- When the black panthers started advocating for carrying guns, Republicans supported gun control.
  Maybe drag queens should start a pro gun PAC? Start carrying everywhere, but like really cute pink and teal guns?
- California keeps passing them then they get struck down

I mean, there might be mentally ill people who feel compelled to do things like that, but they don't exactly make the news do they?
- Because feeding the homeless or starting a sanctuary for pets is socially beneficial and isn't considered mental illness.
- Yeah we should be careful about encouraging mentally ill people to kill themselves and instead encourage (and enable) them to get help
Clearly because they put more value in their lives than those of others. What do these freaks call other people? Non-player characters? They don't matter, because they're not themselves. Narcissism to the extreme.
👀👀I mean... Gestures widely at religion
They hate. They feel antogonistic towards this society. They blame every their failure on it. They want to hurt it, the cosmos of things they hate, to make it burn, to make it suffer.
Offing themselves isn't the goal, but they'd feel weak if they'd just surrender to it. Instead they choose fucking with their pain, with a collective of those they blame for it, while leaving this hydra helpless to presecute them. If they are to quit, what else matters?
In gunning down random people they feel relief, the reclamation of power over their shitty life for once. They don't see people, just parts of thing hurting them, hated by them. They feel like there exists only two actors: they vs the world. And inflicting damage on the world is answering to whatever this world did to them.
One can't rationalize this purely irrational reaction.
They need a scapegoat for their pain.
I’d venture because that’s their general disposition, anyway. Jeanne d’Arc heard voices too, never took a human life.
- I agree with you that people hearing voices does not necessarily mean they are violent or dangerous. The majority of people who hear voices have never and will never hurt anyone.
  Jehanne d'Arc technically never took a human life directly...but she's famous for being a rallying symbol of France and strategic wartime leader. That doesn't exactly make her hands clean even if she never technically killed anyone. Shes also reported as having had a pretty vicious temper that lead to her doing things like chasing prostitutes with a sword which isn't exactly the epitome of peaceful and undangerous.

Time for the usual political debate to run it's course and nothing to happen, because any change to the conditions that generate this violence run against capital interests.

To run its* course.
- Did that make you feel like a big man?

Multiple law enforcement sources told ABC News that Robert Card died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Sources told CNN that he was found dead in the woods near the town of Lisbon.

Better that than taking further life.

So he didn't want to get brains all over HIS house, but was happy with killing a bunch of other people. What a shithead.

His whole family was of a similar mindset; better put a laser focus on their activities, because you know they'll be next.

Nothing suggests that his motivations edit: for the spree killing were in any way political.
- "Robert Card's social media sites showed support for Trump, among other politicians. As shown by the video, Card liked tweets from high-profile conservative figures such as Donald Trump Jr., Tucker Carlson, Dinesh D'Souza. He also engaged with publications from former house speakers Kevin McCarthy and Jim Jordan, as per the video."