Kash Patel Is Polygraphing FBI Staff to Find Out if They’re Being Mean About Him
Kash Patel Is Polygraphing FBI Staff to Find Out if They’re Being Mean About Him
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/32819644
Cops and pseudoscience go together like chocolate and peanut butter.
For more examples, see "bite mark analysis," "911 call analysis," "blood spatter analysis," roadside drug testing with known false-positives, and even fingerprints (once the gold standard) have up to a 20% error rate.
And that's not even getting into how their methodology is exactly backwards: they have a claim that they set out to prove, but do no work to disprove what they already believe.
but do no work to disprove what they already believe.
But that's the LAWYERS job /s
I think it's only been used to convict 1 person but, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optography
I don't know if it's true (let me know if I've been taken for a ride), but I've been told that you can make it look like you lie on a polygraph simply by contacting your anus and slowly unclenching while answering, throwing their analysis out the window.
Really puts the "anal" in analysis, if true.
government of fragile masculinities
So wait... It's not Tiny Dick Syndrome?
At least he doesn't look paranoid...
Enforcing polygraph testing will invariably make people less trusting of you. There needs to specific reasons that target specific people.
As if anyone trusted Patel anyway.
Polygraph measures nervousness, not lies.
So innocent people fail them. And guilty people pass them.
All this does is make remaing people hate him
People who use lie detectors as a machine they think can detect lies are stupid.
The real purpose of the lie detector is to trick the suspect into thinking it can detect lies, to the point where they confess.
Ancient trick. The voodoo magic chicken. "This chicken can tell all lies from truth, and it says you are lying." Who doesn't believe in voodoo magic? So the thief, knowing the jig is up, confesses.
I mean. They're FBI agents....
They all have already had to take at least one to get in, even though they all would have looked into them first and know they don't work. That's still not as bad as the guy having to administer the tests who definitely knows it's bullshit.
It's my favorite example of what happens when we let politicians set rules to govern bureaucrats.
The only reason it's still given is no one high enough in the FBI to be listened to has managed to explain to a president why it's stupid.
A lot of our government is shit because high ranking bureaucrats are shitty are explaining things to idiots
While that is true, they have several techniques to make people nervous specifically about their lies.
They ask them baseline questions such as their name to establish general nervousness. They can give the list of questions beforehand so that your expectation of the question you plan to lie about will make you more nervous.
And then there are ways to avoid lies causing nervousness. The best one is that some people can convince themselves that the lie is the truth. Other methods include certain drugs or distracting yourself in certain ways.
I know you are trying to be informative and nothing you said is wrong, but that opening sentence makes it sound like you are defending the practice of polygraphy which is pseudoscientific, inaccurate, and unethical. I have a feeling most downvoters never got past that first sentence.
Y'all downvoting OP for laying out the methodology.
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Is polygraph test reliable ? Doesn't it fall under pseudoscience ?
It is not reliable at all, and yes, it is widely considered to be psuedoscience. Yes, this is a batshit insane scenario
Yes, morons still believe in it, yes, he is a moron.
That and just looking for an excuse.
It's more of an anxiety-detector. It has no basis in fact.
It measures things accurately but this has absolutely nothing to do with identifying if someone is telling the truth or not.
MAGA: The real snowflakes
The “original” snowflakes. “I can’t drink from the same water fountain as a colored person!” Type of people.
What a dork-ass loser.
literally a 30 rock episode
I've never seen such a clear-cut case of fucking crazy eyes in a "man:"
That's drug induced and you cannot convince me it isn't.
Real leaders don't need to be paranoid about what their underlings think about them. Fascism is more fragile than it appears.
Real leaders would take the time to understand why someone doesn’t like them, do a little self reflection to see if it’s either a valid point or just a perception issue, and then work to fix the issue if there is one. If it’s just a person who just doesn’t like them but is good at their job, just ignore it. If they are truly not a good fit or just a bad actor who just thrives in negativity, then you either find a better fit for them or then you fire them.
I’m very much a pleaser type personality but if someone doesn’t like me for whatever reason, I don’t really sweat it if it doesn’t affect me personally. Most people like me but not everyone and that’s ok. This constant need to be surrounded by yes men and sycophants is just disturbing.
True. And real leaders don't want to lead.
What a bitch.
Good thing polygraphs are junk science that doesn't work literally at all.
Good thing the system already selects for people that can pass polygraphs without much issue.
It is also junk technology.
Damn dude that's some serious trump energy
Wouldn't FBI agents be able to pass a "lie detector" test? Has anyone told Kash they aren't actual lie detectors?
Polygraphs have always been close to useless even for normal people. Anyone being interrogated isnyoing to be nervous and likely set them off.
However, you have to be slighlty, remotely intelligent to understand that nuance. And that is not an affliction any Trump cabinet appointee has.
Polygraphs provide authoritarians the excuse to get rid of people.
The same way that scientology uses auditing. The point is to instil fear and doubt into whomever you're measuring so that you can manipulate them.
So, they are extremely useful.
The fragilest of beings
Republicans/Conservatives in a nutshell.
Yes I support the United States Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic 😏
And the ones behind the FBI director's back.
Isn't the FBI trained to beat polygraphs though?
Only in as much as they know it’s bunk that only works if the participant believes it does.
Lol. I've lied during lie detector tests and still passed.
Hoping our FBI officials are capable of doing the same.
It'd be funnier if they passed while being as sarcastic as possible just to mess with him
I like to imagine that anyone who works at the FBI, and has the opportunity, would try lying at the polygraph for fun.
Of course, "lie detectors" are bunk.
Why do none of these clowns know polygraphs don't work
Comparing them to clowns is an insult to clowns.
🤡 We demand to be taken seriously.
Because of a general sense in the population that they do work. It's kind of a myth of super competence.
All these fascists are such little weeny piss babies.
And all the alpha bros look up to them, how embarrassing.
This is great news. This means they are think he is regarded.
I don't think so.
They're weeding out non-loyalists because the fascism is going to be ratcheted up tremendously, and for that to happen, they need people without a conscience. True believers.
He could also use a plethysmograph to see which male staff likes him.
NB: Polygraphs are a hilarious pseudo-science just slightly above palm reading and astrology.
Dudes a meth head
should polygraph about his crazy eyes.
A more accurate testing would be to hold his portrait and look for visible signs of disgust
I'm short, but my cock is huge! Compared to my pinky 😩
These LIARS are being mean about me!
Joseph Stalin
Once again, this isn’t a nottheonion because it’s completely plausible when I read the headline. I think this onion concept may by dead because real life is so fucking dumb
For those wishing to get past the soft paywall
What a damned candy ass lol
And you thought J. Edgar Hoover was paranoid.
Is he short? Seems like a short kinda guy
5’9”, but I can see that Short Height Indicator Type all over him, some people call it being SHITty
Happy cake day!
Haha body shaming much funny
Probably is a job requirement for the position actually
Pretty sure I've read that it is, but the issue here is retesting employees that are already onboard.