She Won. They Didn't Just Change the Machines. They Rewired the Election.
She Won. They Didn't Just Change the Machines. They Rewired the Election.
Seems technically plausible, I'd like a group to try to simulate such an attack with the hardware pieces involved, implementing this in a proof-of-concept... let's see the Rockland hand recount as well and compare against official results. Until then it still sounds like a cuckooo conspiracy to me.
Things being where they are, and with how many MAGA supporters showed their true colours from brainwashing, at this point I would rather take the opportunity for the US to associate MAGA Republicanism with this dark time on the brink of fascism, than coast into mediocrity. It's a huge risk, but with the number of people united, coming together this weekend tells me there's a chance the people of America could come out stronger than their tyrannical President, spineless Congress and Supreme Court.
Easier than what I had imagined. A half measure wolnt work when palantir had years to plan. A swing state needs to do a full recount. And it can't be just any swing state. You see America is the particular kind of stupid that would purchase un-auditable, fully digital machines.
This is BlueAnon shit.
No, its fucking facts just like in 2000 they stole election then too. They rigged the election. This isn't the only article you can find on this. They have clear evidence unlike Trump claims.
I was looking for that evidence, but all the report has are indications. Proof would mean there's messages that outline this plan, documents, audio recordings, the software backdoor used to kill the ballots anything like that.
I'm not saying it's a bad article, they provide good reasoning and the data looks really odd. Just until here it's a theory.
Some academic researchers told Kamala ahead of time and she ignored it and did no investigations after. This alone says a lot.
Too busy blaming the leftists for not liking genocide
Ok, here's the deal. If you want to make a case for this, that's fine. HOWEVER (and it's a big 'however') we can't just sound like the same people who cried foul over Trump's lost election. We have to provide verifiable and independently verified proof.
In the primary article, we're lacking evidence that Tripp Lite UPS devices actually manipulated votes. There's no documentation of vote manipulation occurring at all, no verified communications proving coordination between the named parties, and the statistical anomalies are described but not rigorously analyzed or peer-reviewed.
The article builds an elaborate theory by connecting real business relationships and technological capabilities, but it doesn't provide evidence that these connections were actually used for election manipulation. It assumes malicious intent based on proximity and capability rather than proving actual wrongdoing.
The Common Coalition Report has many of the same flaws, chief among them being a lack of peer-reviewed evidence. Claims about man-in-the-middle attacks are technically possible, but unproven, and the connection between corporate partnerships and vote manipulation is purely speculative.
If you want to present this as the truth, then we need transparent statistical methodology, which means we don't cherry-pick data, and we can't mix legitimate concerns with unsubstantiated technical claims. While this report contains some legitimate concerns about voter suppression and references some real statistical analysis, the core claims about systematic vote manipulation through satellite networks and corporate conspiracies remain largely unsubstantiated. The evidence presented is primarily circumstantial, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof that simply isn't provided here.
The document appears designed more to persuade than to present rigorous evidence, using emotional appeals and political rhetoric alongside data points. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it isn't something we should be presenting to the general public as fact, lest we look like conspiracy theorists. Verify the facts, then present the evidence—all else is folly.
Stupid? Social media has already been used for manipulation. Apart from that, Trump always accuses his opponents of doing what he himself ultimately does.... Yes, all the accusations of manipulation from the last lost election were already targeted manipulation, and by a criminal... It was precisely with these accusations that he managed to keep the Democrats quiet and he was able to create even more of a mood with his fascist behavior.
Besides this all the lie's etc 24/7..
Oh yes, the arbitrary closing of polling stations and the premature ending of the vote count. The ignoring of so many declared votes...
You are the one here denouncing the credibility of these claims.
You and the bots...
The Republicans cheated blatantly
Ignoring everything they probably did to voting machines that is currently being discussed in courts, we know for a fact that hundreds of democratic voting centers were called with bomb threats.
Current voting fraud court case https://www.newsweek.com/2024-election-lawsuit-advances-2083391
Report of known election interference from 2024 https://www.cip.uw.edu/2024/11/05/election-day-bomb-threats-tabulator-irregularities/
That alone probably fucked with tens to hundreds of thousands of votes.
Given how this administration can't cover shit up to save their own asses, and given Trump's very negative perception by the public right now, if there was major evidence of widespread fraud someone would have come forward with it by now. Whether for the fame, the money, the book tours, or the warm fuzzy feeling of watching Trump's lackies go to prison. This was true when swiss-cheese-for-brains made his claims of election fraud in 2020, and it's still true now.
Data that makes no statistical sense. A clean sweep in all seven swing states. The fall of the Blue Wall. Eighty-eight counties flipped red—not one flipped blue.
"When the hurricane blew through, every single window of my house was broken. Surely you'd think at least one would survive through sheer chance. I refuse to believe my windows could've been that breakable, so this is evidence that my house was sabotaged."
Donald Trump outperformed expectations in down-ballot races with margins never before seen—while Kamala Harris simultaneously underperformed in those exact same areas.
It couldn't possibly be that lots of low-information voters who don't give a shit about the rest of the ballot didn't like Kamala and decided to take another flyer on Trump because he was at least promising to shake things up and take action, obviously it's a conspiracy. We made it very clear that the economy was fine, and that if you were feeling financially stressed, no you weren't.
If one were to accept these results at face value—Donald Trump, a 34-count convicted felon, supposedly outperformed Ronald Reagan.
And this is obviously impossible because the author doesn't feel like it could happen. Surely the United States would never elect a bad person, that's not like us at all.
Look, the results were pretty uniform across all 50 states, across all 50 completely isolated and different voting systems. The country took a big swing to the right, in swing states and uncompetitive ones, in states with paper ballots and electronic ones. We told the right this same stuff in 2020, it was true then, and it's true now. Rigging so many elections on the scale it would take to swing the overall results requires an insanely huge conspiracy with no leaks and no mistakes and perfect accounting for the massive number of public statistics and results surrounding elections. If it happened, we'd have more than a handful of conspiracy theorists saying "but these numbers look funny" and until that happens, pay this whole thing no mind.
It's very very very, bordering on impossible, for people to accept that Trump won.
It is a massive indictment of the apathy of the average American.
Listen if it’s true, but the democrats are not willing to fight the results, then i don’t care. At that point the cheated election becomes legitimate. And Democratic leaders are on their non intervention kick, probably either because they are complicit, or want to really rub it in to the disenfranchised voters that It voters the blue no matter who, or else it gets the tyrant again.
There isn't a mechanism to recall the president over votes, and technically we didn't vote for anyone. The electoral college did that.
So for better or worse we are stuck with the current situation until their terms are up and are forced from office, or more direct action is taken.
What I hope happens is that steps are taken to prevent that in the future. As it benefits the party in power, it likely won't be fixed anytime soon.
Wait. This article suggests that a UPS was an attack vector.
Really?
That's actually extremely plausible.
A smart UPS needs to have access to some very low level functionality on the machine it's connected to in order to safely power it off in the event of a power failure. So you're talking about having at least some root / kernel level access there. It's not crazy to imagine that a malicious driver update could slip in more.
As another poster commented, I'd like to see this actually simulated to be sure, but it's not an idea that I'm willing to dismiss out of hand.
The most wtf part is using windows on a voting machine and the fact that windows trusts an UPS that connected via usb, I'm not sure how true it is but I'd kind of believe that, as usb is the best way to attack airgapped systems
The most WTF part is that you all use voting machines. In Canadian federal elections every vote is counted by hand, end of story.
The reason governments use windows is because Microsoft paid to have the various certifications done that are required by regulators. That's why when they do use Linux they end up using something like RHEL (the support contracts factor in too)
The voting village at defcon is a nightmare, a dream or a joke depending on your perspective
Sure, why not, any internet connected device is inherently unsafe.
What should we do about the next elections?
So get nothing done. Like Obama. Spend 8 years fighting for a single thing only for said thing to be stripped down and completely lose its whole meaning.
The topic is the ways that bad actors can mechanically interfere with the election regardless of the actual vote, so none of that applies.
Amen!
I fucking knew it
If Kamala never conceded we would have something.
Regretfully, Kamala could have had 99.9999% of the votes ... but if she concedes the race to Trump he wins. There may be laws or legislation to punish or impeach Trump and the Republicans, and the government (led by Trump and the Republicans) could choose to pursue them ... I somehow doubt they will.
I don't think it works like that. We had a guy in my state who tried to drop out of a race after he was already on the ballot. He told the media he dropped out, didn't want the office, etc. When he won he changed his mind and they swore him in.
It does not legally work like that ... but it does work like that. Conceding is a tradition/courtesy, but it would be seen as an admission of losing by Republicans.
The Republicans took office. They would be the ones to take any action against Trump and Musk for cheating.
No
How are we still in denial? Do we not see what our countrymen have become?
Unforgiveable.
ITT: ChatGPT tells us only Republicans are allowed to question the legitimacy of elections
Everyone's allowed to question the legitimacy. After 60 completed cases or so, let's reconvene.
I don’t know why the SMART guys don’t work together with the https://electiontruthalliance.org/ guys…
Copying trump won't help you
that makes it even more enjoyable.
Reads like conspiracy nonsense. Bring receipts.
Seriously. I’ve had discussions with people since the election about how they say it was stolen. Until there’s hard receipts, then it’s not even worth the time considering it to me.
I mean that's the issue, that's also why this case that's going on is so huge. There's so many statistical anomalies that it's nearly impossible that he won every battleground state.....but there's been no smoking gun. There's never been solid enough evidence to warrant a court case. Hopefully we get the 'hard receipts' your looking for in this court case
And even then, I'm not sure what it would accomplish. You're not going to undo Trump's inauguration. At best, it could protect the integrity of the next election, but now there are other options available to undermine it.
Meanwhile, elections since then have swung hard against Trump supporters, including one in Wisconsin where Elon dumped a small fortune and made a personal appearance. If they're so good at rigging machines, why aren't they continuing to use this ability?
How do you propose getting those "receipts"?
https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/the-people-and-groups-who-tried-to-disenfranchise-voters-in-2024/
At the very least they intentionally weaponized voting laws to get people kicked off the voting pool resulting it likely uncounted ballots.
Here ya go.
https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/
https://youtu.be/UgIay64Obcs
https://youtu.be/t-yr-Mgkhm0
https://electiontruthalliance.org/eta
First and last links are the data. The middle links are for us stupid people that need to be told how to read the data in the last link
Clicked on the last link
It's selling merch.
I'm out.
Did you read the article? Relevant section below:
“Let’s be clear, Palantir wasn’t brought in for customer service. It was brought in to do what it does best: manage, shape, and secure vast streams of data—quietly. According to Eaton’s own release, Palantir’s role would include: AI-driven oversight of connected infrastructures Automated analysis of large datasets And—most critically—“secure erasure of digital footprints”
The Digital Janitor:also known as forensic sanitization, it was now being embedded into Eaton-managed hardware connected directly to voting systems. Palantir didn’t change the votes. It helped ensure you’d never prove it if someone else did.”
Right, do you see how this reads like conspiracy nonsense.
We make a claim, claim inherently says there's no way to prove it, so just trust us.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I'm with you man. I mean something weird is up with Rockland County for sure, there is some fraud happening. And not saying that this method is not plausible but it's a theory at best and yeah article reads like some pepe sylvia conspiracy. We need legit cybersecurity specialist to do some forensics on the Rockland machines before we can get a root cause and analyze potential impact.
Yeah, there could well be some shenanigans, but as you say we need actual experts doing actual analysis. Spreading wild conspiracy theories does nothing to help anyone.