4w ago

Democrats' David Hogg problem not over despite DNC's vote to remove him

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Told to resign from the vice chair or resign from calling out bad octogenarian DNC members. And then they made the decision for him.

Apparently DNC chair Ken Martin cried to Hogg that his chances of raising money and looking like a leader has been crushed by this, in a leaked call.
Ignoring that this is a projection and example of his leadership.

As a reminder 3 members of the DNC have died over the age of 70 this year already.

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4w ago

Democrats' David Hogg problem not over despite DNC's vote to remove him

www.washingtonexaminer.com /news/campaigns/3439676/democrats-david-hogg-problem-not-over-despite-dnc-removing-him/

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his chances of raising money and looking like a leader
Note that raising money is the first thing mentioned.
And note that winning elections isn't mentioned at all.
Which neatly sums up what's wrong with the DNC.
- Full quote
  “I’ll be very honest with you, for the first time in my 100 days on this job … the other night I said to myself for the first time, I don’t know if I wanna do this anymore,” he said in a May 15 Zoom meeting of DNC officers.
  “No one knows who the hell I am, right? I’m trying to get my sea legs underneath of me and actually develop any amount of credibility so I can go out there and raise the money and do the job I need to to put ourselves in a position to win,” Martin said, addressing Hogg. “And again, I don’t think you intended this, but you essentially destroyed any chance I have to show the leadership that I need to. So it’s really frustrating.”
  It really is frustrating that he thinks the only way to position to win is cash in the bank and no question of the effectiveness of members of the party. Especially when we have such a limited number of positions we can fill.
  I think he just liked having an easy answer to why it's not going well in the existence of David Hogg.
  
  me me me me me me me me me me
  Is all I could read
  
  I'll take the downvotes to point out the political reality:
  Raising money is literally the DNC's primary role. It is a coalition of people raising money collaboratively, with the understanding that agreeing to the party policy as a group is a requirement for being a member of the group.
  So when he says that Hogg is stealing his spotlight and making it difficult to build the network he needs to raise funds, he's not out of line.
  He is INCREDIBLY shortsighted in failing to connect "supporting good candidates" with "ability to secure votes" which itself is a necessary component of long term fundraising. But let's call a spade a spade: raising money is what the DNC is all about, by definition, and without those funds they have no purpose, let alone ability to promote candidates
- The only messages I got as a registered Dem in NY was requests for money. It was the only way to defeat Trump according to whatever intern was setting up the mass text.
  Fucking pathetic.
  
  The way you achieve more is typically showing up at your local Democratic Club meetings or county party meetings.
  
  I registered WFP and while they also ask for money persistently they also advocate action which is nice.
- We truly are in the era of Showbiz Politics.
  
  When a government can no longer serve you it will turn to spectacle to keep you from noticing
- The irony that they've made money on his trauma for years
Hogg, who has levied harsh criticism over elderly incumbent Democrats’ refusals to step down from their offices,
The concept that a Democrat in office who refuse to step down, is almost never challenged because nobody want to fund it, is undemocratic and counterproductive.
David Hogg is absolutely on the right side here. USA is a deeply flawed democracy, and it starts already within the parties, and it should be pretty self evident that it needs reform.
It's crazy the DNC goes against him because of "tradition" when he is so clearly right. They had 2 major presidential losses to GOP because of similar stupidity.
If the "Democrats" aren't even democratic, what hope is there for democracy in USA?
- It's wild that they view their age and incumbency issues as unrelated to their performance in the past decade.
  As, apparently, doing and saying nothing to upset status quo is the standard of the current party and has been said so by new Chair Ken Martin.
  It literally means no push for better candidates that better represent the people for one thing and doesn't even begin to get into the number of DNC party members who have died in office in the past years of age related issues.
  
  Democrats have become the party of "young 74 cancer notwithstanding" that gets second cancer four months later
- Tradition is inherently conservative, not progression. Just saying.
  
  Very true.
So close to actually changing and they throw it away because old fuckers can't stand not being narcissistic assholes.
I worked in politics in DC for several years and I can say with no uncertainty that the DNC and Center for American Progress could disappear and no typical voter would care. Just useless institutions that don’t even do their useless jobs well. Neera Tanden is head of CAP again and is going to be fucking useless again.
Hogg's right, but his execution was abysmal.
- Not really
  We've seen what it looks like when the DNC gets to approach leftist policies and ideology on their own terms.
  They run Bernie Sanders against 8 other progressives to dilute his vote in the first and only DNC primary that allowed progressives to run.
  The DNC is only interested in pretending they support leftist policy to get leftist votes. They have no intention of letting the policies pass or supporting them.
  The only way to get the Democrats to support leftist policy is by tricking them.
- Yeah I've listened to a few of his videos. He's extremely off putting and unlikable. But he's also 100% right. It sucks that he isn't even slightly charismatic. I mean.. knowing his history I can forgive him for that without question. But still - a big part of politics is building alliances and he will never, EVER be able to do that on anything but an ideological position and that's not a recipe for success.
  
  He’s extremely off putting and unlikable.
  I mean, I don't think thats even relevant and I think people that use that as a basis for decision making should be ignored. That level of analysis is basically hand wringing, and I could really give a shit if any one like the presentation. If the critique or analysis is correct, too fucking bad if you don't like the presentation.
  Hogg started by saying the right thing. Conservative/ Blue-Dog/ Blue-MAGA Democrats need to be primaried and ejected from the party.
  But when pushed, Hogg's actual analysis was completely lacking. He couldn't answer "Which Democrats should be primaried?" or "Who are the good Democrats are?". When he did answer those question, the answers were fucking stupid and he was obviously a bit shook and hadn't thought through what the answer should be.
  He should have taken the message to some friendly leftist media outlets and fucking work shopped it so he was more prepared to answer those really obvious question.
It's like what happened with Bernie, but even dumber.
Just 3, not bad for the dems. ALthough to be fair its only early June.
- Already tied for total of last year. And all younger than Mitch McConnell.
I’ll take you guys seriously about getting old people out of politics, when I stop hearing about Bernie sanders
- Are you imagining a specific audience when you say this?
- Bernie isn't wrong, so what's your problem?
  
  So we’re ok with old man in power now? Or only your old man? I think there’s a word for that , starts with an H

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