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Antony Starr had to knock down 'The Boys' fans glorifying Homelander: 'This guy is not the hero'

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The Boys' Antony Starr had to knock down fans glorifying Homelander: 'This guy is not the hero of any story'

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- That behavior sounds almost presidential.
- Like, how did they not see this?
  It's about 50/50 between:
  They don't see anything wrong with the things he did.
  They haven't watched the show and have only heard that he's disliked by "liberals", and assumed he's great.
  
  I think you missed the third option: they are borderline illiterate and/or completely lacking in creativity, and are literally incapable of "reading into" anything beyond surface level, "powerful man blow shit up with his eye lasers wow so cool!" type thinking. It is beyond their grasp.
  They don't see or understand subtext... which becomes obvious when you see the media that is popular with these types of people.
- Wait, when did the murder an entire planet?
  EDIT: Fuck me I can't read, it is plane
- The only abstract thinking they are allowed to train is making sense of trumps weird old man rambles.
- The conservative grifter accounts they mainline told them to be mad. They act mad like good little doggies. That's about all there is to it.
Man, wish we could have cool villains without constantly having these Baby's First Media Literacy conversations
- Maybe if literacy were actually taught instead of being sabotaged by what I can only assume is a plot to increase the pool of incarcerated slave labor we could then move on to more advanced forms of literacy.
  
  a plot to increase the pool of incarcerated slave labor
  It's not just that; it's also a plot to increase Republican voters
  
  "They don't want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking."
  St. George
I mean, they glorified the punisher. So this isn't surprising.
- I haven't seen the show and barely know the Marvel character, but even as a violent killer/vigilante, he's far from the monster Homelander is, right ?
  Or did they make him racist/homophobic/patriot/etc to appeal the "alt-right" viewers ?
  
  as far as i remember the punisher is basically a violent anarchist vigilante who kills anyone he deems a criminal, including corrupt politicians and cops. so basically they missed the point of the character.
  
  Or did they make him racist/homophobic/patriot/etc to appeal the "alt-right" viewers ?
  He is none of those things, and fairly antithetical to them, so alt-right viewers love him anyways because they have no media literacy
I doubt anyone actually thinks he is a hero, they just like seeing the world burn.
- Some people think burning the world down is somehow heroic.
  The scary part is they're not all MAGA, or even conservatives.
  
  Nihilism knows no party.
- Seriously though. I feel like this whole “people think homelander is good” thing is manufactured.
  
  Same, I am more and more convinced most "culture war" shit is.
Homeland er is super MAGA, so....
- Make America Super Again
  
  Yessa, MASA.
The show makes fun of the MAGAs, but the real ones are too stupid to undestand it, thinking that the show's Homelander fans are correct.
- They made it way more obvious in the most recent season. That's why user reviews are more mixed. It was finally obvious enough that they caught on.
Who the fuck watches that piece of shit character and thinks he's the good guy? Humanity is fucked.
Trash humans be trash.
We all love to dunk on reactionaries, but there is no final right way to interpret media.
According to "death of the author" literary theory, any reading that can be backed up with the text is valid. These valid theories may contradict each other and even the author of the work. (please don't confuse multiple valid readings with silly relativism that any reading is as good as any other, that's a straw-person argument).
Death of the author is valuable and useful. This is how many classic media have been reinterpreted to take on queer readings for example.
- Fair enough. But thinking Homelander is the hero is a good sign a person is a sociopath.
  
  It's important to let them tell on themselves though
- everyone can have their interpretation.
  It's just a Rorschach test.
  Is someone sees homeowner as a hero, that person is likely dangerous
  
  Homeowners be monsters, y'all.
- there is no final right way to interpret media
  There's no definitive right way, but there are definitely definitively wrong ways
That's why you don't make these kinds of shows.
No, seriously - do you think Antony Starr "knocking down" some fans is going to have the slightest impact or change anyone's mind?
It won't. People are awful and you've given some of them a hero. Congrats.
- I don't agree that just not making these kinds of shows is somehow the solution. How is not having a conversation about such a character at all a net improvement?
  It's not the fault of the show, which has done everything it can to depict Homelander in the worst light, if certain people deliberately ignore or misconstrue the narrative because the character validates their awful world view. To say that is to say that humans cannot be trusted with the privilege of thought.
  The sort of people who romanticize Homelander would still be there without him, and would pick other characters from history or fiction to idolize instead (if they don't already idolize those characters in addition to him.) This only reveals a societal issue that we've known about for roughly a century, now.
- They didn't need the "hero" to glorify this kind of behavior. It's an excuse, not a cause.
- Good thing you don't decide what kind of shows can and can not get made. ¯(ツ)/¯
- It's like what that one dude said about it being impossible to make an anti-war film that works because depicting war will almost always look cool to the masses. Or some shit like that I'm not a scholar.

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