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  • They made Spiderman rich in the movies because the writers a rich and think writing about a poor beneath them.

    Other assholes include: Thor who is a dumb over privlaged fratboy who causes interndimentonal wars by acting like a dumb frat boy.

    Ironman who was not only a war profiter who gave one the most powerful weapons platforms in the world to some teenager without any kind of oversight whose main story arc involves him fucking over poor people

    Captain marvel is a brutal space pig who uses their powers to intimidate indigenous people on whatever planet she is on. Uses a weapon that can level city blocks and her character progression is that she needs to be more emotional. Plus she was fine committing genocide on the skrulls until she found out they had women.

    Wakanda is a monarchist enthnostate presented as a utopia that tortures and murders outsiders and is presented in such a way that if it was the US the movie would be labeled as propaganda. Plus using 'colonizer' as a slur to call the people helping them even though they were never colonized

    The eternals are boring

    Wonda is everything that justifies the hate of mutants. But it's not her fault so she gets an pass. But it highlights everything stupid about the gay and minority parallel. No hates black or lbgtq people because they can think a hundred peope to death.

    Almost all of these people are sone kind of aristocrat.

    Black Widow spends all of her movie rescuing like 12 people while letting and entire gulag of men die in an avalanche without even flinching. Not to mention the fact that her and Hawkeye worked for the CIA and probably overthrow countless democracies.

    The guardians of the galaxy employ a dangerous psychopathic racoon who thinks nothing of murder.

    The least aggregous is Captain America, a living propaganda poster. Antman, one of the only poor person appearing in End Game is treated like a joke even though he should be the most dangerous one among them.

    USAgent was treated like crap before he did anything wrong to the point I kind of felt bad for him

    Getting rid of Zemos direct Nazi ties makes him almost a hero. And those ties are less then SHIELD's and less then that of most countries

    Also, do not forget the beef between Disney and DeSantis only started when people saw they were working together. And only do scenes involving any kind of homosexuality in such away as to edit them out for whatever dictatorship they want to impress.

    Also the original MCU Quicksilver was a thousand times better then yet another quipy hero that we don't need. Plus asshole Quicksilver is closer source material.

    Edit: wtf am i getting down voted for?

  • I always think back to this one quote, something like

    You can tell the morals of a society by the myths they tell themselves. We tell stories of heroes who save the world then quietly go back to their day job until they're needed again

    • I read that and I actually think positively on it. To me, i read it as the good person doesnt stand by and do nothing, they fight evil as it crops up, even at the cost of their peaceful life they desire. Im not sure I can agree to any one type of story them we tell though. Its pretty varied.

    • I'm curious, what's you're take on that then?

      • Liberalism in a nutshell.

        We just want an insurance policy, not for anything to change. We want to protect what we've built, write off the horrors of the world as isolated events like a collapsing building or asteroid impact. They stop the villains from rocking the boat, even when the villains have a morally superior position because "you have to do it the right way"

        But the heroes aren't too morally superior... They can't make us feel bad. They do something about problems in front of them, and then go back to their job. They don't use their power to actually address root issues, they don't try to lead, they just defend the status quo

        But, then heroes started to get more complex. Batman is a billionaire who fights crime, despite having the ability to actually fix the crime problem in Gotham, he just fights. He suffered a random act of violence as a child, and so that instilled a sense of justice. He works with the police and uses his wealth... In any way except actually changing things

        Spiderman learned the hard way noblesse oblige, that his power gives him the responsibility to use it well. And he does, he saves people around him while also actively working to make the world better at his day job - inside the system. He's basically an activist

        Then you have captain America, who puts his sense of justice above the system... But he mostly works inside it, but sometimes it's infiltrated and he fights or it's wrong and he stands against it

        But when you get to more recent heroes, they start to get dark. The system is broken, so they work outside it as best they can. They don't have day jobs anymore. They kill sometimes. They make sacrifices, they fail. They question themselves.

        People scream at them "where were you when we needed you?" And they explain the answer to that question to the readers through character development, even though there's nothing they can say to the victims

        The heroes aren't infallible, they aren't strong or wise enough, they constantly struggle, and they fail. This isn't a hobby for them, they don't go back to work. But they keep trying, especially at great personal cost

        And they carry every failure with them as penance for not being good enough to have saved us when we needed them

  • Sam Raimi Spider-man spent most of his time saving people from imminent harm and stopping armed robberies. He fought the CEO of a company that developed military technology who was killing people to hang onto his position of power and wealth. He then fought a mad scientist that spent the entire movie putting innocent people in danger, attacking Spider-man and ultimately risking the deaths of millions out of an obsession and the influence his technology had over him. In the third one... he turns into a bit of a dick for a while because he's being partially controlled by an alien, and the theme for all three villains is revenge. At no point in the trilogy does he target anyone who is trying to make a political or social change, just people that are attacking him personally and/or putting innocent bystanders in harm's way.

    In the Amazing Spider-Man movies he pretty much just fights a guy who is trying to turn everyone into lizards, his own stalker who just happens to get electricity powers, and the rich brat that blames him for not giving him blood samples which he thinks will cure his disease (they won't, but the reason for the refusal is still poorly defined).

    MCU Spider-man gets recruited to fight half the avengers, which might play into this if the civil war was about a larger societal issue, but it wasn't. As far as the movie presents it, the entire issue is about the rules governing the avengers themselves and the fate of Bucky. Arguably the Captain America side is presented more favorably, but that too would go against the point the comic is making because they are the ones resisting the status quo and sticking it to the man.

    And in his actual movies, MCU spider-man fights a guy who is flooding the streets with high tech weapons just for the money, a con man that's willing to kill innocent people to make himself look like a superhero, and all those villains from the previous continuities who is actually just trying to send home.

    Maybe spider-man was a bad example. Surely the rest of the MCU must be pro-government propaganda, right?

    Iron Man 1: Rich selfish asshole has a wake up call, realizes that harm he's done by filling the world with weapons, immediately exits the arms industry and dedicates his company to developing peaceful technologies to help the world. Uses the technology he developed to intervene in conflicts where civilians are getting massacred and no one is willing to do anything about it. Defies the US military to do it. The villain is a greedy executive that tries to kill Tony to seize control of the company and continue building weapons.

    Iron Man 2: Tony is continuing his policy of protecting people in war zones, in defiance of an angry US government. The government tries to steal his suit for the military, and works with a rival company to develop drone versions which Tony destroys.

    Iron Man 3: Wouldn't you know it, another company developing military tech is run by an evil guy and is killing innocent people.

    Captain America: Literally fighting Nazis.

    Captain America 2: Fighting the Nazis that have infiltrated the US government.

    Captain America 3: Fighting to save his friend in defiance of a government that would rather kill him than bring him in peacefully.

    Thor: Shakespeare in space, plus Thor learns humility.

    Thor 2: Blowing up the universe is bad.

    Thor 3: Thor literally helps start a revolution to overthrow a dictator.

    Thor 4: The gods are assholes who should care more about people.

    The Incredible Hulk: Science man good, military guy bad. Smashy smashy.

    Ant Man: An ex con who went to jail for hacking a corrupt corporation gets recruited by a scientist who helps him take and an evil CEO of a corrupt corporation.

    Alright, I'm not listing any more, there's a million of these things, you get the idea.

  • This reminds me of a reel on Instagram where the singer Aurora said something along the lines of "Isn't it weird how the «villains» want to break the status quo while the «heroes» seek to restore it?" and in the comments there were ones that said "For this nonsense people become leftist" and exactly right below that another one said "For this nonsense people become right-wing".

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