White House's 245% tariff figure for some Chinese products causes confusion
White House's 245% tariff figure for some Chinese products causes confusion
White House's 245% tariff figure for some Chinese products causes confusion
White House's 245% tariff figure for some Chinese products causes confusion
White House's 245% tariff figure for some Chinese products causes confusion
Telsa: cars so shitty it takes a 245% tariff to make them cost-competitive with China
Are you even aware of the amount of fentanyl that can fit in an imported car?
Obviously the point is to make American use good old American Fentanyl.
You joke, but here's a representative morning the good ole days when we made our meth at home. https://www.businessinsider.com/sen-steve-daines-montana-had-homegrown-meth-now-from-mexico-2021-3
good old American Fentanyl
The way things are going in America it's gonna be Krokodil
I've seen homeless people take shelter inside the siding of cyber trucks.
So how does this all work in practice? You order something from China and it will be sent over on a ship. At what point do you pay for the item, what steps does it go through to get to you, and how/when do you pay the tariff to the government?
Say you pay the Chinese company $100 online for your order and they ship it. So it arrives on US soil. Who picks it up there, the USPS? Who determines what the tariff amount should be and collects it? Some shipping company or port authority inspector or what? At what point does someone deliver it to you and collect the tariff from you?
So the way this works is the importer of record pays the tariff when it gets to the US port.
So, scenario 1, you buy a product from an American company that imports either the whole product or some part of it from China. The American company pays the tariff and then decides how much of that to add to their costs.
Scenario 2, you buy from a Chinese seller that ships to the US like Temu. In these cases generally the seller is the importer of record, so they pay all applicable tariffs on your behalf, but in order to do so they'll add it to your bill along with the shipping.
Scenario 3, you buy from a company in China that ships directly to you without acting as an importer. There are a bunch of options for this where you basically order stuff direct from manufacturers, and it seems like it's going to be way cheaper because there are no tariffs or other import fees. But in reality what happens here is you are now the importer of record. There's two ways this will play out; the government will either hold the item at the port of entry until you pay the fees, or it'll arrive and then you'll get a bill for the fees later. This can be really dangerous because you can end paying a whole lot more than you expected to.
There’s your next spam scam, then. “You owe tariffs on the goods you received from Amazon, pony up”
Thanks! that's very clear.
So the main thing I wasn't understanding was the idea that a seller like Temu would actually pay the tariff ahead of time--I didn't realize they would do that, just figured they'd get paid for the product, ship it off and let the other end of the line deal with the tariffs part.
As I recall, normally when sending packages internationally, one has to declare what an item is and its value.
So that'll mean that customs knows how much is involved.
kagis
https://www.usps.com/international/customs-forms.htm
Customs Forms
Filling Out Customs Forms Online
When you ship items from the U.S. to another country, you must fill out customs forms (except for First-Class Mail International® letters and large envelopes under 15.994 oz):
- The form you need depends on the USPS® mail service you use (and the total value of what you send).
- You can print just a customs form or use Click-N-Ship® service to pay for postage and print an international shipping label and a customs form.
kagis
Sounds like at least USPS can do a "receiver-pays" service.
https://www.cbp.gov/trade/basic-import-export/internet-purchases
Importing Process Paying Duty: The importer is ultimately responsible for paying any duty owed on an import. Determining duty can be very complicated, and while shipping services will often give an estimate for what the duty rate on an item might be, only CBP can make a final determination about what is owed. You should not be misled into thinking your purchase price includes duty because the seller cannot say with absolute certainty what the duty will be. As a rule, a purchase price that includes shipping and handling does not include duty or any costs associated with clearing the goods through CBP. First time importers are often surprised by bills they receive for duty, U.S. Customs and Border Protection merchandise processing fee, and something referred to as "customs fees," which are actually charges for the services of the broker who cleared your goods through CBP.
How you pay duty depends on how your goods were shipped. If your goods were shipped through the International Postal Service, you will need to pay the mail carrier and/or go to your local post office to pay any duty and processing fees owed when your package arrives at that post office. If your goods were sent by a courier service, that service will either bill you for the duty they paid on your behalf or require payment on delivery.
IIRC, there's a de minimis exception, where one doesn't have to pay fees on items below a certain value in a single shipment. There was some controversy over this, as it meant that someone who did bulk imports from China to the US and sold things via, say, Amazon would have to pay tariffs, but someone who imported a single unit via AliBaba or something wouldn't. This had been giving AliBaba a benefit, because it could sell tariff-free. And there was discussion about revising this, to people selling via AliBaba and Amazon.
kagis
Yeah:
https://www.yondatax.com/blog/how-to-handle-us-china-tariffs-and-the-end-of-de-minimis
And while the president has been relatively quiet on the topic of de minimis—the long-standing policy that allows goods under $800 to enter the U.S. without duty—new guidance from the White House signals big change. As of early April, de minimis exemptions for goods from China are ending.
Starting May 2, 2025, the U.S. is ending de minimis exemptions for goods coming from China and Hong Kong.
Right now, the de minimis rule—under 19 U.S.C. § 1321(a)(2)C)—lets one shipment per person, per day, valued at $800 or less enter the U.S. without paying duty or import tax.
That benefit is going away specifically for China and Hong Kong. For now, it will still apply to other countries—but that could change in the future.
EDIT: Tariffs in general aren't new, though. Like, Trump increased tariffs, but we always had tariffs on things. So the infrastructure will already be in place.
Thanks! Yes, I had read that the de minimis exception was removed for China.
So that sounds like CBP is calculating the tariffs for everything when it arrives, then the postal service takes it from there and collects what you owe when you pick it up from them or they deliver it to you. I guess that makes sense. I just wonder if even CBP even knows what the correct current rates are, based on the article. I guess they do, but the people/companies importing stuff probably don't and might be quite surprised at what they get charged!
I thought the mango meathead couldn't impose tariffs unless it was an emergency. I thought it was up to Congress to impose tariffs. That was why there was the sham of fighting fentanyl imports. How is that charade still being floated?
Well we do have an emergency, the catch is that the emergency is the person implementing the tariffs.
Gee I wonder why this would cause confusion. /s
I have no idea, how?