Joe Rogan Slammed For Claiming Resurrection of Disability Slur Is 'One of the Greatest Cultural Victories'
Joe Rogan Slammed For Claiming Resurrection of Disability Slur Is 'One of the Greatest Cultural Victories'
Unfortunately yes
R****d fell out of favor probably close to 15 years ago at this point. Developmentally disabled/intellectual disability has replaced it.
if [...] they did something stupid, I’m not gonna say “wow, that person’s a developmentally disabled!”
Thank you for illustrating the point. Those terms were chosen for a reason - so society would stop using diagnoses as perjoratives.
In other words, the entire reason we say "developmentally disabled" (or whatever the nom du jour is), is because people like you insist on associating developmental disabilities with bad things.
Even if you only use the word "retarded" as an insult, then you are still equating the group of people with the insult.
Again.
If the word "retard" is fine as an insult for you, than you consider intellectual disabilities to be worthy of insult.
I don't know about you, but calling someone less intelligent IS an insult. Doesn't matter what you name it.
That's the point of insults you know.
Thank you for confirming your meaning.
You're not just calling them less intelligent. You're labelling them as a member of a group of vulnerable people. By doing so, you imply that being a member of that group is insulting. You imply that members of that group are worthy of insult.
Enjoy being edgy, I guess. It's sad to see so many people are so easily swayed by the idea that empathy is weakness. It costs absolutely nothing to be considerate.
It has nothing to do with empathy. This is upper-class college white girl shit, where people get offended on behalf of a class they don't belong to and which the people who they are offended on behalf of don't really give a shit.
You pretend to be offended so you can signal to others that you are virtuous.
The easy, pointless, thought-terminating cliche against empathy. Well done.
"It's just ivory tower liberalism wahhh nobody actually cares!"
You pretend to be offended so you can signal to others that you are virtuous.
See, this is the part where I get to stop being nice. This is childish, rude, and stupid. You are falling back to wildly presumptive insults because you cannot defend your behavior. It costs you absolutely fucking nothing to be considerate.
If everyone had to be considerate of every persons views, nobody would write anything. Nobody would be allowed to have opinions.
The world isn't all sunshine and flowers, buttercup. I'll continue to be imperfect, and use the words to describe what I want. If you want to get your blood pressure up, and get huffy about it, that's your prerogative.
I get it. Generally people don't want to offend someone without due cause. And so we traipse around each other's idiosyncrasies. For the most part that is fine.
The problem comes from making a policy of it. People will say what they will say. Does that cause reputational harm if they say certain words? Sure. No one can stop you from changing how you feel about someone based upon their actions. But you can't stop them from saying it.
Let's go straight to the source. Let's talk about the N word. If you see someone in public use that word perjoratively - then you will probably consider them to be a bad person. You may even tell other people "That person said the N word and they are bad because of it." And that would be perfectly fine.
But what you can't do is tell them not to say it. Because it is their freedom to be a piece of shit and to say awful things and to demean and hurt others with their words. So if Joe Rogan wants to say stupid shit, let him. We all know he's an idiot.
Oh yeah... idiot used to have a clinical meaning too, you know. But I guess according to you I can't say that either.
Can we still call people morons?
Yes.
That one stopped being used as a medical designation prior to people getting their panties in a twist about using medical designations as insults.
This is why I prefer "willful ignoramus" when I want to insult a person like Rogan. These people aren't just stupid, they're choosing to be ignorant.
The real problem is the stigma attached (throughout modern history) to people with intellectual disabilities. Every new term eventually became a slur, because the same bigots who use slurs are also bullies.
"Intellectual disabilities" has a slim chance of avoiding this because it's too long to say and too hard to spell.
Btw, "lame" and "blind" are examples of how it's similar for all kinds of disabilities.
In other words, the entire reason we say “developmentally disabled” (or whatever the nom du jour is), is because people like you insist on associating developmental disabilities with bad things.
who is saying that an intellectual disability is a bad thing? You're the one arguing it's a problematic discussion. A lot of people are intellectually challenged, is that also rude? Or is that one fine, is it ok to say uneducated, or is that questioning the socioeconomic status of a person, and therefore, also rude.
Just because something is defined in a rather terse/blunt way, doesn't necessitate it being a negative thing, that was the problem with "retard" and "retardation" being used, it turned into an insult, and as a result, fell out of favor, because it fucked up the medical definition, which is now "intellectually disabled/disability"
Sometimes weird deformities happen, sometimes people get physically disabled, or are physically disabled, sometimes people are cognitively, or developmentally disabled, both are fair depending on the context, because neurology is fucking weird. I mean we call certain things "disfigurements" because it's not normal. If they sound bad it's because you've negatively associated these words to concepts that bother you.
who is saying that an intellectual disability is a bad thing?
The people who use an outdated perjorative for "intellectual disability" when they want to insult others.
yeah but who uses it like that? I don't. I just use it because i think it's a funny word and i think it has situational comedy potential.
I'm not going to seek out people with mental disorders and call them retarded, that'd be evil.
You're basically arguing because one person is a terrible person, that we should change to accommodate against them.
The people who use an outdated perjorative for “intellectual disability” when they want to insult others.
yeah but who uses it like that? I don’t. I just use it because i think it’s a funny word and i think it has situational comedy potential.
Can you please use the word in a context that is not insulting?
How would you describe someone or something as "retarded" without implying that there is something wrong with the person or thing?
Can you please use the word in a context that is not insulting?
lets say for example, you left your car outside, and it rained, and after the storm passed you realized you left the windows down. I would say that it would be a pretty "retarded situation" my response would probably be something along the lines of "well that was retarded" both literally, and on my end.
How would you describe someone or something as “retarded” without implying that there is something wrong with the person or thing?
If i'm using it to insult people, i'm referring to people who have a functional neurology, and aren't actively using it, for whatever reason. As opposed to people who are intellectually/developmentally disabled/challenged whatever you want to use works, who cannot function on that level. There's nothing inherently wrong with having a lowered level of neurological function. There is something inherently wrong with being so obtuse you obscure your own intelligence in stupidity, and be a retard in the process.
If i'm referring to something stupid i did and it's not a person. Something like the previous car example. I might design or build something, and in the process i realize i've made a significant mistake, misplaced some key component, and done something irreversible that needs to be undone, that would be retarded.
I mean, if you literally google the definition of retard it says: "to stay back" "put off, post pone, or delay" Of course the perjorative version was historically used to insult people, specifically those of a lower intelligence. But just because it was once used that way, doesn't necessarily mean i'm using it that way now.
whenever i say it, i'm almost exclusively not referencing people who are developmentally challenged, i'm referencing people who are fucking stupid. You could call them developmentally challenged, but then you're just doing the retard thing that happened to make it a pejorative in the first place. And even then, that's not necessarily true because it's such a sterile definition.
You are literally using intellectual disabilities as an insult. That is what you are doing.
Right. You're calling 'that fucker', 'retarded.' You see 'a fucker', and you decide to call them 'a person with developmental challenges'.
You're associating 'people with developmental challenges', with 'fuckers'. Don't.
Nobody's "associating" anything. Nobody who's calling someone retarded has any thoughts in their head about people with the mental disorder. If you called them a downie, then you would probably have a point; as it's specifically worded to relate to downs syndrome.
But "retard" has come to be an amplification of the word "idiot". It's like the words big, bigger, biggest.
It's the "biggest" of "idiot".
So if I'm gonna call someone an idiot, my levels of idiot are: Idiot, Dumb-ass, and Retard. I'm just calling them the word that corresponds to being a gargantuan idiot. You can't use "gargantuan" because they don't even know what the words mean; so you use retard.
hey I have a question: how does everyone feel about "fucktard"? is that acceptable? it's not a direct insult to persons with developmental disabilities, but it does have a fairly specific connotation that could be useful in certain situations, plus it throws out an F-bomb to emphasize your anger.
but if that's too offensive for some folks I guess I can just keep using "fuckmouth", if that's easier on the ears.
but if that’s too offensive for some folks I guess I can just keep using “fuckmouth”, if that’s easier on the ears.
fuck mouth might be too insensitive for those of us who have or don't have sex, so basically all of humanity actually.
I'm rolling dude! haha
Nobody who’s calling someone retarded has any thoughts in their head about people with the mental disorder.
Right, except for the part where that's the literal definition of the word. The literal definition.
The people who were diagnosed as 'retarded' as children and adults are still alive. It's living memory. You think they don't have any thoughts in their head about mental disorders?
"Retarded" isn't a medical definition under IDC-11, so they aren't retarded, as the medical definitions have changed.
Also Retarded has another standard definition -- Being held back or stunted of which applies here.
Right, because it was being used as a slur. They stopped using that word to define those conditions because it was being used as a slur. Thanks for the good faith argument.
They stopped using that word because it wasn't descriptive. The same reason they stopped diagnosing women as "hysterical". That's the cool thing about the sciences; they evolve and change over time to be more descriptive, not less.
And now, we use the word hysterical to describe certain things...kinda cool how that works, right? When I call something hysterical (extremely funny) - people don't get offended and say I'm using a slur.
Or when someone is losing their shit, you say they're acting hysterical. It's become a descriptor.
losing their shit
Hey hey hey, let's not use incontinence as an insult my dude.
Fuck. Foiled again.
Why are we changing the term “mental retardation” to “intellectual disability”?
The term “intellectual disability” is gradually replacing the term “mental retardation” nationwide. Advocates for individuals with intellectual disability have rightfully asserted that the term “mental retardation” has negative connotations, has become offensive to many people, and often results in misunderstandings about the nature of the disorder and those who have it.
Gradually?? I don't think the r word has been directly related to mental disability the entire time I've been alive, and I'm not exactly young... You're just choosing to take offense, which is white-knighting for the disabled when they're not even being insulted... Kinda' ... extremely lame of you...
Oh wait, being lame used to be a health disorder! Guess I'm offending you again...
if someone is stupid, and making objectively stupid decisions, it would be fair to call them "developmentally challenged" especially if that person is donald trump, and the stupid decision is tariffs.
Would it also be fair to call him a retard? Yes.
should you? Probably not, would it be justified, yes.
It's only really fucked up if you're using it belittle and demean someone, though there are also situations where this is deserved. Morals and ethics aren't really a solid ground to stand on, more so a floating mass of garbage in the ocean, that just sort of, showed up one day.
should you? Probably not, would it be justified, yes.
So, we agree that you probably shouldn't use the word?
yeah, probably shouldn't doesn't mean you can't though.
Just because you probably shouldn't yell at people, or swear at them, doesn't mean you can't or won't.
Not everything in this world is a binary, sometimes it's situationally appropriate, sometimes it's not, sometimes it's in between.
Right... we're all here in this thread because Joe Rogan says we should say the word. That it's good for our culture. I'm suggesting that we probably shouldn't say the word. That it's bad for our culture.
i don't even necessarily disagree with that argument. I just don't think it's really all that relevant. I'm not even sure most people would disagree with it.
Obviously you should be nice to people, you probably shouldn't be an asshole, and you should help them as much as possible, but like, how many of us actually do that?
It's sort of like telling someone who smokes, that it's bad for them, they know, you don't need to remind them.
It's sort of like telling someone who smokes, that it’s bad for them, they know, you don’t need to remind them.
If a famous celebrity tells people that smoking is good for them, should that go unchallenged?
that's factually incorrect and misinformation, so yes, it should be challenged.
I'm not saying that the word retard is a good thing for society though.
Lmao, that's a stretch.
Maybe try to come up with a more creative way to insult people than by using a slur?
This is the same logic behind saying the f-slur is okay if you're not using it to describe gay people, you're just using it to insult a straight person... by comparing them to gay people. See the problem?
No, because I'm not calling anybody a faggot.
No, because I'm not calling anybody a removed.
Just so you know. (I'm guessing you weren't removing it yourself for a joke.)
So you understand why it's bad to use a slur that way?
Reclaiming a slur to describe oneself is a very, very different matter from using it to insult others.
i dont always use it to insult others, and nothing would stop me from using the f slur with my friend group either, gay or not.
You could make the argument that it is offensive to use the word, but that's kind of the point. (not to any specific group of people though)
I don’t understand how so many people fail to see what you’re saying and have downvoted your comment so much. I think it’s a lot of millennials (I’m one) who have funny memories growing up calling things retarded and gay and they’re just… unwilling to give it up now. It’s not that hard to use other words.
It's honestly very disappointing to see this here on Lemmy. I'd expect this from Reddit, but I thought people here were better than this.
I agree. It’s all emotional and irrational. Even if you’re making a good point, you get downvoted because it’s an emotional response. Similarly, someone saying something stupid but in line with the general sentiment gets upvoted. Sucks to see it here.
Yes. This place and this post in particular is in dire need of mod action.
OK, so you and your boss act like children. Thanks for outing yourself.
Yeah, because it's hilarious and takes the edge out of the day. It's funny when I've just spent 15 minutes trying to find something, but didn't see it because it was up too high.
Oh, you're short. Now your attitude and comments make perfect sense.
Joe Rogan is also short, so this clocks. It always comes back to getting no bitches in highschool. Disco Elysium baby!
true, fuck short people, i hate short people.
this is satire, obviously, i'm doing a funny
What the fuck are you even on about?
He's sick of being called a bigot or Nazi or something
That's the shittiest copper you ever had
Typical .world shit SMH
I'm sorry that .world has invaded your safe space. 😂