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Do you think "there are no innocent" is a valid view?

It seems that there are a lot of Israelis that believe that there are no innocents in Gaza. And one could argue that it's possible that a significant majority of the population is hateful towards Israelis, considering the history.

If you agree with this argument, can you please explain why and elaborate? And if you don't, how would you refute it? There is no data that shows that there isn't a significant majority that's hateful towards the Israelis.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not stating my opinion as I want to hear an unbiased opinion from you.

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It is most definitely used the other way around.
Personally I disagree with it. Hamas, however needs to be held accountable to October 7th.
- And the IDF needs to be held accountable for their war crimes. Thing is, they're not targeting Hamas, they're targeting innocent bystanders.
  
  And Hamas admit using Gaza's civilians as human shields and have done going back around 20 years.
  
  Admit what? Let's hear it; where do they admit it?
  
  “decided to turn that which is most dear to us — the bodies of our women and children — into a dam blocking the collapse in Arab reality.” Yahya Sinwa, 2016
  
  He very obviously doesn't mean taking them as human shields (which, by the way, Israel has never been able to provide evidence for).
  
  If anything, he very obviously does mean that
  
  Other than the networks of terror tunnels under schools, hospitals, and kids bedrooms?
  You choose to ignore or dismiss the wide and systemic evidence. That doesn't mean that there is no evidence.
  Even Al Jazeera admits that there were terror tunnels inside residential buildings.
  
  The kids bedroom one looks legit, and if so is really fucked up, fair enough. However, Al-Shifa hospital is and has always been bogus. This is where they found a "Hamas guard shift list" that turned out to be calendar, if you remember that. More generally,
  Even Al Jazeera admits that there were terror tunnels inside residential buildings.
  That's fair. However, if that's your definition of human shields then... Okay? I'm not sure where else you expect them to put tunnel entrances. It remains a fact that claims by Israel of Hamas using civilian infrastructure for military uses (putting a door somewhere isn't a military use) in a way that makes them valid military targets are almost all (not all, as the kids bedroom example shows) false.
  In November 2024 the UN reported that in most instances Israel does not provide substantial evidence for its human shields allegations in Gaza nor could they independently verify these allegations.
  -Wikipedia.

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