Do you guys think Ukrainian militias like the Azov battalion will become a danger to Western Europe?
Do you guys think Ukrainian militias like the Azov battalion will become a danger to Western Europe?
Obviously lots of us have been concerned about this, but one thing I noticed recently are Ukrainians claiming the West is now supporting Russia, and if normal Ukrainians are saying this, then you just know the UkroNazis believe worse.
I don’t recall a time where training and arming a radical group ever worked out fine for the status quo.
worked well enough in the color revolutions?
Absolutely, I think a bit part of the long term Ukraine strategy is funneling Ukrainian Nazis into US and EU to radicalize and train domestic fascists. They were even on the ground in Hong Kong doing training during the the protests there.
They were even on the ground in Hong Kong doing training during the the protests there.
you're telling me those "democracy" protestors were assisted by Western backed fascists?Literally no other way democracy can really take hold
Yeah, I remember that article from years before the SMO about Ukraine being the international training ground for fascists. So, Azov doesn't even need to leave Ukraine since they've been rebranded as brave freedom fighters like the Contras. They can stay in Lvov to protect
in 2034 after Russia reaches the outskirts of Kiev and at the same time train NATO fascists, street fascists for europe and the anglosphere, and the CIA goons who will train other fascists in probably mostly latin america.
Well, they've done it before, even as specifically in Ukraine - Operation Aerodynamic. More broadly for Europe - Operation Gladio.
The result? Business continues as usual. The truth is that the far right has basically never not been funded in Europe.
If there's resistance, you get Years of Lead, ala Italy at the time of Gladio. If there's no resistance, business continues to continue as usual.
A real danger? no. A "danger" that can be taken advantage of to justify more weapons contracts, police & surveillance technology transfers, and maybe an intervention a couple decades from now in UA after some stuff explodes up and it's pinned on Azov? If they can still conduct themselves that way, surely they will.
Probably. I think it's intentional too. There's massive amounts of euros that want to exterminate Muslims, so leveraging Nazis in Ukraine is a first step in doing that.
Azov are actually less dangerous than they used to be because most of them died. They were a real problem actively training the far right everywhere internationally. Now they're basically dead. Most of the hardcore died or were captured in Mariupol.
What IS a problem is the arming of entirely different far right groups with weapons from the Ukraine war, many of which have gone missing.
Azov will need to rebuild itself, or reorganised under different names. It is not the powerful fascist organisation that it was before this war started, it has been considerably weakened by its losses and much of its new blood don't have the decades of fascist larping in peacetime to build up their ideology.
Didn't US arm shipments sent to Ukraine already make it to neo-nazi groups all over Europe thanks to Azov?I vaguely recall there being something about that when that Reichsbürger lot got caught planning to overthrow the German government.Edit: disregard this, I can't find any solid evidence they were.
Pre-SMO but there were these weapons neonazis who went to UA brought back to Italy: https://www.reuters.com/article/world/italy-seizes-air-to-air-missile-guns-in-raids-on-neo-nazis-idUSKCN1UA1SZ/
This one busted in 2022 also linked to Azov and such:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/italy-neo-nazis-order-of-hagal/