So these imbeciles instead of voting for a representative that they could influence with some letters and phonecalls, decided that the guy that will give Bibi free hand to finish fast and violently the genocide is a better option!
In 2020, Biden got 80 million votes and Trump got 74 million.
In 2024, Harris got 68 million voted and Trump got 72 million.
My take is basically 10+ million people who voted for Biden stayed home rather than vote for Harris. For some reason they couldn't bring themselves to vote for either. There was no reason that they cared about where one was better than the other.
weird and confusing comment? maybe missing the point which is that harris got “some letters and phonecalls” (a lot of them!) and fucking ignored them for the entire campaign. biden-harris are the imbeciles here. hope this clarifies :)
They gonna keep sending those letters to Trump-vance as they work on their denaturalizarion and deport those legal US immigrants to Palestine?
The Palenstine that Trump-vance will gleefully be helping Israel wipe from the earth? That will not be at all trying to stop Bibi from finishing his genocide?
More like these imbeciles who gave a genocidal madman who heads a government that spends 20% of its budget spying on us and funding their direct opponents 20 billion dollars refused to listen to a word their potential voters said about it for an entire year.
What’s the source for those stats?
Methodology: IMEU Policy Project and YouGov’s survey was conducted July 25-Aug. 9. 387 voters were surveyed in Arizona, with a margin of error of 5.7%. 374 voters were surveyed in Georgia, with a margin of error of 5.4%. 369 voters were surveyed in Pennsylvania, with a margin of error of 5.3%.
Thanks.
Institute for Middle East Understanding is a pro- Palestine organization. While I’m sympathetic to their cause, I kind of doubt the accuracy of this poll.
Even so, this was a poll of Dems and Independents only. It doesn’t really support the ideas that she would have won PA or AZ with this position.
The challenge with this poll question is that it doesn't ask whether this issue changes a potential voter from someone who wouldn't have voted for Harris into someone who would have voted for Harris. It asks if they are more likely to vote for Harris.
For example, I was already highly likely to vote for Harris, but her being more emphatically against the genocide would still have made me even more likely to vote for her.
To make the case that she should have used this poll to change her position, you have to look at the pre-existing likelihood that someone would vote for her and see whether this issue brought them over that threshold. (For example, what fraction of the 35% voted in the primary and the midterm election? Were they already planning on voting? Who were they planning on voting for if not Harris?)
you’re absolutely correct in what ur saying but missing the point. the post isn’t trying to argue that the election could have been won by promising withholding weapons, it’s pointing out that it literally couldn’t hurt, and still didn’t happen.
the security that could have come from simply saying the words “no more weapons if we win” was essentially free for the taking, and yet biden-harris eschewed that opportunity in favor of courting conservatives—in a huge middle finger to pro-Palestinians. the post is about listening, or rather the lackthereof, to one’s voterbase.
again i appreciate your insight into the election dynamics but it’s just not the point here so i hope this clarifies. ❤️
First off, thanks for the discussion, and this is an important question to ask as Democrats unpack why they lost. It boils down to "does moving to the central position gain more voters in the end or not?"
The argument I'm making applies in reverse too. What if there was polling data that indicated that this issue shifted the seven percent who were las likely to vote for Harris into not voting for Harris or not voting at all?
If that's the case, then their decision becomes more understandable.
If she actually did this the right would start calling her a terrorist and she would lose any chance at winning over any right voters on the fence (who probably didn't have strong opinions on the issue prior).
She didnt win over rightwingers anyway
how many right wing voters on the fence did she win with her own strategy? go ahead and look that up :)
