If I was a secret immortal how long could I keep the same US ID for before I get taken away for study. I'm thinking 150 years.
If I was a secret immortal how long could I keep the same US ID for before I get taken away for study. I'm thinking 150 years.
It's not like there are people checking for immortals, I think it would be flagged by a dmv employee or something when they dont believe a clear 21 year old is actually 150. Let's assume it's current day im caught and not bring speculation on what the US is like in the year 2139 is like.
When your id says you're 100 and you look 21 it's going to cause issues.
You want to get away from ever needing an ID. The wealth you gain from compounding interest should allow you to hire accounting experts who will handle your transactions and hide your wealth among shell companies. I think once or twice you could go with the "this is my child, me Jr" routine, but eventually you need to have some kind of emissary who conducts business on your behalf while you cycle through fraudulent ids and move around every 20-30 years.
When your id says you're 100 and you look 21 it's going to cause issues.
You can use this to your advantage, by claiming it's some sort of annoying mixup and it happened before. You can use this to sneak new info into the system when they need your help correcting the obvious mistake that you're not 100 and get your dates reset.
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So awhile ago I worked on a system that moved education records between 2 different systems at a university. It kept choking on one particular record; turns out the date of birth was in 1499, and MSSQL won't store dates from before the start of the Gregorian calendar unless you specifically configure it to do so.
We sent a request through to have the record corrected - clearly someone has just typoed 1949 - and moved on, but maybe.....
It'd be cruel to the people around me, but I do rather like the idea of starting over every 30 years or so, your could try out so many different paths.
I figure that you are wealthy by this point and your lawyer has all your records. They’d be able to establish and maintain your identity in some way. But yeah, just live your life however you like at that point.
If your goal is to avoid that, and you look 21 permanently a la Highlander, you probably want to get new one every thirty years or so, starting over as a "runaway teen" or "refugee" who lacks identity documents with a nominal age of fifteen.
Or just commit identity theft. That one you could probably do once a decade, or more; just keep a running file of unsolved disappearances of children and teens and pull another one out whenever the age more-or-less fits.
Or just commit identity theft. That one you could probably do once a decade, or more; just keep a running file of unsolved disappearances of children and teens and pull another one out whenever the age more-or-less fits.
Continue having children throughout your immortality every 20 years or so. Make sure you have an child of the gender equal to your own, and on their 21st birthday, you switch identities with them. You sit for their picture on their newly issued ID on their 21st birthday, and suddenly its your picture that is the one of record for the legal 21 year old. Your child takes over you identity, grows old, and dies. Repeat ad infinitum.
Continue having children throughout your immortality every 20 years or so. Make sure you have an child of the gender equal to your own, and on their 21st birthday, you switch identities with them. You sit for their picture on their newly issued ID on their 21st birthday, and suddenly its your picture that is the one of record for the legal 21 year old. Your child takes over you identity, grows old, and dies. Repeat ad infinitum.
what happens when the child is immortal too?
we’re already almost at the point where biometric tech will make all that irrelevant, especially facial recognition. to really fly under the radar in the future you’re gonna need to hack security systems and erase your data every so often.
Or remodel your face
So, what I would likely do, is go to a country with somewhat easy-to-bribe officials, get a new identity made there; Then get a degree as an OBGYN and slip false names into their system.
you can then re immigrate to wherever, get a somewhat corrupt doctor to keep the "family" running so you get new identities that don't involve taking over actual people's identities.
depending on how careful you want to get, you'd have to then generate fake histories with residences, and eventually careers, but given the ability to compound inordinate wealth; it wouldn't be too hard.
What if this is the only reason people commit identity theft? There could be millions of immortals out there, just trying to get by.
But you would need to check VERY closely who you are having children with.
That 21 year old you are putting a bun in the oven might be your granddaughter.
That would be immoral,even on a highlander scale.
I was watching this real-life documentary called Highlander about this dude Connor McCloud of the Clan McCloud. He is immortal, but he has to sword-fight people because if he gets his head chopped off, he isn't immortal anymore. Anywho dude changes names every time someone gets too close. There was also a TV documentary by the same name about his cousin Duncan. Duncan is a bit more loose with it but they pack up and move around a lot. You should check it out, not Highlander 2, though; you can skip that one.
He is immortal; he has inside him blood of Kings; he has no rival (except when he does); no man can be his equal.
That song got me super amped (still does tbh)
Highlander 2 is cocaine's masterwork.
Magical immortality? Fuck that - now they're aliens. And Connor is a scientist who saved the planet with a space shield. But the space shield isn't actually necessary. And killing another alien will make him young again. And Sean Connery can be revived by yelling his name. Oh, and he can make a ball of energy from his hands to hold up a fan blade, but it'll cost his life, I guess?
There can't have been a single sober person involved in that production.
Brother, have you seen The Source?
I'm not entirely convinced that Highlander 2 wasn't written on the back of the same straw wrapper they used to write Gremlins 2.
"Oh, you must be thinking of my grandfather, we have the same birthday"
And the same social security number. It’s a weird genetic thing ;-)
when they dont believe a clear 21 year old is actually 150.
This happens much sooner. You have any ticket, anywhere (bus, flight, stadium, speeding...) and sometimes they would check your face with your written age for plausibility.
Surgery nowadays is top notch eh!
The oldest person on record died at 122, and there's reason to think that there was fraud involved and she wasn't actually that old. By the time you were in your hundred-and-teens, you would have attention from scientists even if you looked your age. They wouldn't be forcing you to undergo medical testing if you didn't want to, but I think they would resort to force sometime in your hundred-and-twenties. If you didn't look your age, you'd have attention much sooner than that but people would think you stole someone's identity (that's what they think the 122-year-old person might have done) and not that you were immortal.
FWIW, scientists who study supercentarians think Jeanne Calment was legit. She answered some extremely detailed historical questions about her village. She was either a walking Wikipedia about the area she grew up, or her claims were real.
That said, most supercentarian claims probably are bogus. They often come from areas that had bad recordkeeping a century ago, had their records offices bombed out during a war, or are generally well known for pension fraud. They're often very poor areas that tend to have a low life expectancy, and it's very strange that a real supercentarian would pop up there.
When does supercentarian hit? 100 or 110? Most of my ancestors (grandparents and older, my parents are in their 80s and still kicking) lived to be over 100, Great Aunt Mary made it to 111 or 112. Only one so far that died early was my mom's dad, and he made it to 92.
There's a movie about this:
The Man From Earth
The circumstances where you’d be most likely to run into issues is where age plays an active role—e.g., Social Security or insurance. But those are probably avoidable if you’re careful. Otherwise, there’s no law against being really old or looking young, if you’re not trying to claim age benefits—for anyone else where the date of birth wasn’t relevant to their job, they’d probably just ignore it or assume it was a typo.
You won't be taken away for "study", you'll be taken away for pension fraud. Probably much earlier than 150.
Why would participating in studies be bad, though? Major pharmaceutical companies would pay you an absolute fortune in exchange for participation and you could advance medical science tremendously. You'd be a hero and get incredibly rich in the process.
I think you're overestimating how generous a government or research group would be if they found someone they truly believed to be immortal.
Although getting to that point would be quite difficult. Someone being truly immortal is so far out there and so difficult to prove that it's much more likely to be something more mundane. Like identity theft, or a clerical error.
If you're immortal in the sense that you don't age it would be dangerous to be outted. 8 billion jealous mortals would be an issue for you.
Thats an interesting one if u happen to have happened upon a path to immortality lmk with that power i can help you rule the world. Forever.
You're looking at frequent IRS Audits and verification requests from Social Security and what not, but TBH if those people keep their mouths shut and you don't tell anybody you'll probably never get taken away in most developed nations.
The thing about it is you'd have a difficult time convincing anybody you're really that age, and the companies that are capable of studying you aren't actually competent.
You're more likely to just get deported somewhere at random.
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It would be very easy. There are many places where money is all you need. Living in a shithole like the USA is the last place you want to be. Go anywhere you find Russian oligarchs or their kids. There are many micro nations that would gladly let anyone print any name they would like for a fee.
Calling the US a "shit hole" because it's hard to commit identity theft is odd.
People always say they would get a new identity but never how
Buy an infant mortality's birth certificate every decade and put them into use once the poor tike would have hit 25.
It helps to be in a profession that processes death certification so you can make sure it doesn't get processed.
Why keep the same identity instead of assuming a new one every60 years?
Isn't that just a different way of answering the question though? Do you think 60 years is the answer but don't want to say that?
60 years is within the reasonable lifespan of a human whereas 150 is not.
How? I mean, it's just so easy to get a new ID, birth certificate, social security number, credit history, etc. You just assume a new one.
21? I hope you don't like going anywhere. You're going to get flagged either at 65 when someone tries to apply a senior discount in person or whenever they ask your date of birth for beer and you're supposed to be on the back end of 40.
If you allow yourself to age to that timeless look you can probably get to 75 before anyone even gets suspicious.
Just explain it with preaching the miracle effect that fecal masks have had on your signs of aging.
Get those mortal idiots to rub shit on their faces.
I believe that most states require you to retake an ID photo every so often, same goes for passports. You could age relatively normally and still retain ID as long as you renew when it expires and update photos as required.
And it's not entirely out of the question that even with the same real birthdate, such a legitimate ID of an immortal could be overlooked.
ah, you can pretty much go on and nobody will ever notice.... ah, you meant immortal, i thought you said immoral... nvm