Harris: ‘If somebody breaks into my house, they’re getting shot’ during event with Oprah
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“If somebody breaks into my house, they’re getting shot,” she said, laughing. “I probably should not have said that. My staff will deal with that later.”
I mean, anyone who hasn't realized that she has 24/7 secret service protection and they're going to fucking shoot anyone whose an intruder to any of their protectees homes...
are kinda dumb.
I mean, this is a pretty logical and understandable consequence of the right's call for political violence. I was pretty surprised the Pelosi intruder was able to do so much, tbh.
Edit: But, yes, people are dumb and disingenuous and will say that they should be able to kill an intruder on their property without question and then turn around and say that Harris' detail should not be allowed to do so.
are kinda dumb.
Basically anyone in the GOP.
And the gun control single issue voters- at least a few.
I don’t think most people realize just how un-hesitant a secret service on protection detail will be to shoot an unknown intruder.
Like. That’s not a Harris thing. That’s just their job. Which is why the guy that saw a rifle more or less just started blasting. (Maybe not “just”… I assume they assessed range and stuff. A pistol at 200 yards is almost useless even if you do hit what you’re aiming at.)
kinda dumb.
You really think the cult isn't that dumb? Any bets that one of them will try it? Of course MAGA would claim it was her fault in any circumstance.
Reminds me of that West Wing episode where he "accidentally" makes an offensive gun analogy comment; Harris doesn't really alienate any supporters here, and she appeals to the undecided gun crowd voters. As a bonus, she's "telling it like it is" for folks who are self-described as being "fed up with PC culture."
The West Wing looks so fucking anachronistic now
It was then, too.
The Republicans as portrayed in The West Wing were far more sane than even the GOP at the time. Remember, the show first aired shortly after the GOP impeached Clinton for a blowjob because they couldn't find any evidence of impropriety in the Whitewater deal.
Compared to how DC runs these days, West Wing is up there with Harry Potter on the Fantasy scale.
Your bonus point is depressingly significant. The number of people I've heard say something like, "I don't like x, y, z about Trump, but I like that he speaks his mind and tells it like it is in his opinion" drives me crazy. When did it become admirable to be an unfiltered boor?
The unfiltered boors of the world like to feel valid and important.
Its a false expectation. They think thats what smart successful people do. The big problem with trusting your impulses immediately, is you will only consider your own perspective. Its very hard to change your own perspective unless thats what you are already trying to do.
Agreed. I thought it was one of the best things out of her mouth at the event (which was surprisingly well done, worth a watch). I think people want to see more honest, unprepared remarks from her (she's been really staying on message). But I doubt there will be many more events like this with hosts like Oprah, who is quite skilled at producing these moments.
I mean it's true, if you bust into the VP's house I'd expect nothing less
Me, while im bleeding out on the ground: " I really just wanted to see the P90 in action. Its so cool. Worth it."
I mean she's the fucking sitting VP, I can guarantee the Secret Service is going to end anyone well before she's even disturbed.
When I think about it
Instead of a debate let's go to a range and do a little target shooting.
Watching Trump fumble around, hit nothing, getting smoked by a woman.
Sounds like a lot of fucking fun to watch.
Oh wait we already saw that lolololol.
As a convicted felon, Trump can't have a gun. ;)
He can't even have bullets on his person
So for that like .1ms where he was being "hit" by that bullet were technically him breaking the law
oh shit, what's he gonna do for his vote casting photoshoot in Florida
Oh sheesh I totally forgot. Hilarious.
And yet they're still trying to give it to him
I guess it would be entrapment, but it would be funny as hell if Harris goaded him into a target shooting competition, handed him a gun, and then immediately had him arrested. 🤣
"I bet your tiny hands couldn't even hold an ar15"
No fucking way any sane person would wanna be at a gun range with him tho
Seems like the gun ranges are coming to him. Everywhere he goes seems to become one.
I’d bet money that DonOld has never actually loaded a gun. If he’s ever actually shot one it was probably handed to him with the safety off and a lot of prayer.
...Then pit both of them against someone that goes to a monthly IDPA or USPSA match.
(My point is, if you want to be able to use a gun when you're under a lot of pressure to perform well, you gotta practice under pressure too.)
These idiots filmed themselves trying to overthrow the government. They'll taking this as a dare/challenge
And one did it while still wearing his work Id badge on a lanyard.
And then you get shot when it turns out to be the police raiding your home unannounced because they got the address wrong again.
I like this for some reason. Maybe even more if she slipped and said "fuckin' shot" maybe because it's Oprah.
Weird that the whole "I probably shouldn't say that" is a very Trump like thing to say, but those types of comments have a lot of power with people so more power to her.
It was an authentic moment and people love that. I watched it live and was like dayum.
I've done a shit ton of research and writing on the topic of firearm regulation. I grew up with them as well. I am absolutely for very strict firearm regulation... However: I think it's time democrats pivot on this to root causes: education, Healthcare, and societal stressors. The electorate just isn't there yet, and it will probably take another 2 decades at least before the boomers die off and any movement can be made.
I'm not even sure if the electorate is in a place to address issues in education and healthcare, haha. But unfortunately I agree; I think Dems are right because it's clear other nations don't have this problem (even with their same unhappy societies) but making only incremental gains with gun control shows that it can't be done right now.
But I wouldn't necessarily go with root causes as first priority. If they could fix election issues like gerrymandering and the electrical college, urban centers would have a fair say and might push harder on gun regulation when voices are heard on equal level. If I had a majority, that's what I'd hit first to make the rest easier.
Apparently we will have to wait for a few additional generations to die off as ones like yours keep saying infinitely wise things like "why ban guns, just solve all mental problems nation wide".
The entire world knows this fact: the root cause of Americas gun problems is the sheer amount of them and how easy it is for ANYONE to obtain one.
But you know what, I'm open to be proven wrong. Why don't you show me which nation has shown its possible to resolve mental health issues across their whole population. How about studies that show most shooters are mentally I'll? Or recently fired? Or poor?
Kinda interesting how even the poorest people in America have guns huh?
Yes, if you come in my home forcefully, I'll do my best to kill you. That is a line one does not cross, especially not with my wife and children in the house. Bullshit outside is a call to 911, see what happens.
Sure, maybe it's some drunk or kid at the wrong home. That's why you take a breath and identify the target and situation. If you're too fucking panicky to do that, give up your weapons, you do not deserve them.
Gun laws are mostly counter-productive and racist, but I'd go for a simple "use of force" test before one's initial purchase. If you watch GunTubers, you'll get sane takes, often straight legal advice from lawyers. If you talk to individuals, Jesus, what these people think is lawful and moral... And if you can't be arsed to do your fucking homework before bringing death into the equation, you are not fit to own or handle a weapon.
And don't fuck with me on this unless you've suffered a home invasion. Ever had hoods break in and rob you at knife point on Christmas Eve? Ever had a bear wander in your home on Christmas Eve? (Wow, now that I say that out loud... weird. Maybe I should not stay home on the 24th. OK, the wolf hybrid cruised in one summer night, but I knew him. Still got me to draw. 🙄)
These downvotes seem a little excessive. You're making some good points about guns and how people should handle them.
Being robbed doesnt give someone the right to kill someone. This is about personal morals, not tit for tat or get off my lawn bullshit. People have absurdly irrational fears that murderers are wandering the streets at night and picking random houses.
Stealing is a cash business, theres no benefit to stealing from occupied homes, and absolutely not for attacking or killing an occupant. Criminals know this, they are just as afraid of people in the house as the other way around, thats why they carry weapons.
The goal is that guns are harder to get, which makes them too expensive for random criminals to carry. Then homeowners can pull their old baseball bat out for home protection like we used to.
Also, if you have people breaking in trying to murder you, you have made some awful enemies then.
I'm close on this.
I'm a responsible gun owner, but there are a LOT of crazy ammosexuals out there who aren't safe to let carry.
If someone tries to enter your house though, that's a red line.
I literally trust noone who has ever said "I'm a responsible gun owner".
I feel like this a cultural thing because that sounds wild to me.
The penalty for burglary where I am is not death, nor am I a judge or executioner.
We've been broken into a lot and it's usually just some poor asshole who wants to steal things to buy meth. It's horrible and scary and feels like a massive violation but shooting someone in that scenario just feels like straight up murder.
When someone breaks into your home you don't have much of an opportunity to figure out why. Many times the reason is not to steal things and buy meth. Sometimes it's to hurt, rape, or kidnap someone. Why take that chance?
You might be picturing someone slowly walking up and executing a pleading, weaponless burglar in cold blood. In reality these things happen with mere seconds to make a decision about the safety of you and your family. Again, Why take the chance?
If you're breaking into a house, getting shot is a calculated risk you have chosen to take. If it happens, it's only your fault. You had the choice to not put yourself or anyone else in harm's way, and you chose the other option.
Where do you live that bears and gangs are both on the table, Anchorage?
Deranged MAGA nuts: Challenge accepted!
We can be pretty sure they'd make martyr out of such individual(s), given how they treat the TERRORIST that is Ashli Babbitt.
The flailing dumb-dumb donnie even brought her up during the debate.
Well, better than the time someone broke into the home of the Canadian Prime Minister (Jean Chretien at the time) and his wife held off the intruder with a soapstone carving...
Mine too, Madamme. Mine too
What are we going to do with all those Louisville Sluggers, sitting in the hallway closet?
I hate to say it, but in America right now, Harris leaning into a quasi-pro gun stance is probably the right move. Something like 75% of the country are against a hand gun ban (which is the type of gun used in like 97% of murders), over 70% say the 2nd amendment guarantees the right to own guns, a large majority are against an all-rifle ban, and a simple majority are against an assault-rifle style ban.
Until the gun culture in America changes, and with presidential elections always being so close, moving away from the anti-gun position just makes obvious political sense, unfortunately.
We'll technically, if she's president, that would be VERY true.
Careful Kamala... your neo-lib is showing.
How so? Explain please, cause I'm not understanding the connection. (Yes, I'm both non-American and an idiot)
America is so fucked. Both parties dont give af about the gun problem. Just one side cares a bit less than the other
I mean, I don't think we need to worry about people getting shot during an unannounced in home break in.
We need to worry about people being shot randomly in the street for no reason, or guns being in the hands of people who are mentally deranged. Those are very different things imo.
The "gun problem" is really an issue with shit like social services and safety nets, not guns per se.
If you talk to a criminal defense attorney and ask what the gov't could do that would see the biggest drop in gun crime, most of them will answer without hesitation: end the war on drugs. If you decriminalize and legalize drugs, you end fights over money and territory in a single fell swoop, because you don't see convenience stores shooting each other up, do you?
Context is important, since the person saying this has a security detail and holds office where the threat of violence against them is real.
She forgot the "a" in her statement. Any intruder in her house is gonna get a COVID vaccination.
Kamala Harris is Vice President of the United States of America and the POTUS is mentally compromised. If she shoots anyone while under threat, which a break in would suggest, she’ll just get a nod and probably even keep her handgun.
If/when she is POTUS she’ll have immunity, per SCOTUS.
You don't need to be POTUS to be found innocent in most states. Many have stand your ground rules, and many more at least have self defense rules.
Granted in her case, she has secret service so it's a moot point.
Shooting people isn't a constitutionally enumerated right of the office of the president
She'd have to order one of her executive employees to do it
According to SCOTUS, anything the President does could be immune to prosecution, including shooting someone, intruder or otherwise.
I don’t think POTUS or VPOTUS, even pre SCOTUS insane decision on presidential immunity, would be prosecuted for standing ground or engaging would be castle law, even in a state without either. I don’t think any of those offices would be held to duty to retreat either, and rightly so.
“She needs to tone down her violent rhetoric.”
She was a DA. She’s probably carried since then.
One weird trick to get gun control laws Republicans don't want you to know!
To my understanding it worked with the Black Panthers
For once, the Democrats have figured out how to game the Republicans into gun regulations: by being vocal about firearm ownership on the left.
Last time the Republicans passed gun reform, it was during their god-emperor Reagan's presidency, when Black Panthers had the nerve to arm themselves in public while forgetting to be white.
Harris should promote open carry for immigrant brown people. Maybe then we can finally get universal background checks, red flag laws, etc.--all popular with the public and a majority of gun owners.