Seems weird to critique "western game devs"
Developers of any region can be terrible.
Japanese game devs would NEVER. Because their bosses literally chain them to the desk until their code built from scratch works flawlessly.
(This belief may be out of date)
Ok, but the second tweet is a bit redundant
Like what else would a .log file be? A video file? A Word Document? An executable?
Do you really need to inspect the properties to be told: "This .log file is certainly containing text. Thank you for installing Windows 10. Save 5% on your Office 365 subscription with code 'ILOVEMICROSOFT'"
Like what else would a .log file be? A video file? A Word Document? An executable?
I think their point is that a 200gb text file is a wild size usage for a crash log, and there's probably accidentally some binary data in that log. There's no way a crash log can exceed 2x the size of the game binary itself.
I thought they were just trying to hammer home how wild it was for the file to get that big, since it's just a text file.
Yeah and also when they said "300gb of crash logs", i assumed it was a folder with thousands of files, instead of all those gbs in a single text file, that's wild
You should have rolling log files of limited size and limited quantity. The issue isn't that it's a text file, it's that they're not following pretty standard logging procedures to prevent this kind of thing and make logs more useful.
Essentially, when your log file reaches a configured size, it should create a new one and start writing into that, deleting the oldest if there are more log files than your configured limit.
This prevents runaway logging like this, and also lets you store more logging info than you can easily open and go through in one document. If you want to store 20 gb of logs, having all of that in one file will make it difficult to go through. 10 2 gb log files is much easier. That's not so much a consumer issue, but that's the jist of it.
As a sysadmin there are few things that give me more problems than unbounded growth and timezones.
if you assume the second post has ulterior meaning it could be that someone might not know what a crash log is, but most people who have interacted with computers at least once would be at least vaguely familiar window's file description and understand that text file icon + >200 gb size is not normal
this is, of course, a rather big assumption.
most people don't put that much though in a post and expecting them to will make your online experience a confusing mess.Most people have zero understanding of how programs work. I have slightly more understanding than the average person and I didn't catch that a crash log would nearly always be a text file.
It could be a binary file, though that would probably make it smaller if anything.
I'm guessing the point was the developer didn't invent some proprietary log that also contained a dump and other things that could conceivably be very large. That would also be terrible design, but managing to create hundreds of gigs of text in a game crash log is a special kind of terrible.
My log file in rimworld after I add my 691st mod
Oh no, I should probably check that.
I’ve written code that has generated logs like that. In my case, I had all of my 12 threads writing to a logger, and over the course of 2 hours it got to about 250gb, which was the remainder space on my drive
That can happen with any program, and should be a simple fix on the dev side
It is also something that can happen easily. Just program to log an error and then the error happens unexpected every frame.
So
300×1024×1024= 314,572,800kb
Assuming something like 200 bytes per log line
x5 = 1,572,864,000 logs
Assuming this is your standard console port with a 60fps frame rate lock:
÷60fps ÷ 60 seconds ÷ 60 minutes ÷ 24h = 303.407... days
You would need to play for nearly a year solid to generate that many logs at a rate of one per frame.
Given that's probably not what's happened, this is a particularly impressive rate of erroring
It's a crash log, not an error log. It's probably dumping the entire memory stack to text instead of a bin dump every time it crashed. I would also suspect the crash handler is appending to the log instead of deleting old crashes and just keeping the latest. At several dozen gigas of RAM it would just take a couple of game crashes to fill up the 300GB.
To happen every frame without crashing the game, it's more likely a warning ⚠️ "Warning, the texture is named 1.png instead of 1.PNG"
It happened to my cousin awhile back with Photoshop. She’s a professional photographer and it shut her down for a few days. I found it pretty quickly and an update stopped it from happening. It wasn’t removing temporary files and totally filled her drive up.
Poor thing was ready to buy a new hard drive.
I vaguely remember the Nvidia driver generating tons of log files, so many that they piled up over years and filled my drive
I had this problem with my old phone...a One Plus 9. One Plus used to be so good now it's full of bloatware and bugs. Their suggested fix was factory resetting the phone to factory due to them limiting what files could be checked.
Yeah, my OP9 was my third OnePlus phone and my last one. I installed a security update that made the cell radio completely non-functional and had to factory reset it. I use my phone for 2FA to get into my work computer, so this was simply unacceptable.
I realized I wasn't doing enough with my phone to warrant flagship prices and ended up switching to a Pixel 6a I got on the cheap. Other than having to add wireless charging with an accessory, I haven't looked back.
I switched to the Pixel 8. It's okay, good camera but a little buggy. Last phone I REALLY liked was the LG G5 that had a slide-out battery. I think it was t-mobile(?) had a bonus where they gave you a free extra battery and charger for that battery. I could go for a couple days at it's peak without a charger, just a battery swap
