Former Ronald Reagan staffers endorse Kamala Harris for president

www.theguardian.com

More than a dozen former Ronald Reagan staff members have joined dozens of other Republican figures endorsing the Democratic nominee and vice-president, Kamala Harris, saying their support was “less about supporting the Democratic party and more about our resounding support for democracy”.

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Who thinks this helps?
- They’re trying to reach conservatives that don’t support Trump.
  
  They're alienating people who hate Reagan.
  
  why though? there is a large untapped market to the left of the Democrats, that they constantly ignore instead focusing on trying to just BE the republicans and take the fictional moderate.
  In reality here everyone in that space has decided, and is not going to be swayed a large majority of them are with trump, They should move back to ATLEAST new deal politics but expand it to all not just white americans, that will both re-expand there voting window and allow for a diferentiated base
- I saw someone theorizing that this helps Republicans down ballot. They give the Dems the presidency, but having more Republicans showing up to vote helps house/senate/whatever local elections swing Republican.
  
  Very spicy take: This helps Donald Trump because it reinforces the idea that Donald Trump is not colluding with the uniparty establishment.
  Liberal protection clause: I do not support Donald Trump.
  
  That's actually an interesting idea. Since they're going to continue to control the Supreme Court anyway they can continue to implement their policy goals on the state level even if they don't have the Presidency.
- Surely if we go right one more time the mythical moderate republicans will reveal themselves and vote us. Just one more genocide, we got this
- It literally does though. Forget our personal politics for a moment. I don't think there's a single voter already planning to vote for Kamala Harris who would stay home because the staffers of a long-dead president support her. Keep in mind, Harris and her campaign have zero control over who officially endorses her. And even among the people who are not solidly behind her, many see her as the obvious only sane choice and are planning an anti-Trump vote no matter what.
  But on the other side, I could definitely see centrists and Republicans swayed by what they view as the administration of "the greatest president ever" (fuck Reagan) denouncing Trump and supporting Harris. They may not even vote for her, but if they stay home this could literally tip the election for Kamala Harris.
  
  There are a lot of voters who suspect that there's no difference between the two parties. Moves like this only ensure they stay home and don't vote.
- I do.
  I know people who voted for Trump because they've always voted Republican. Republican is their team, so they voted Republican. They assume Trump, as a Republican, will continue with standard Republican policies (which is generally true). They don't like him as a person but just don't pay too much attention to it.
  If you mostly ignore Trump and just think of him as a generic Republican it makes sense. I was planning on voting for Biden before he dropped out because Democratic policy is generally what I'm voting for. Biden dropping out and Harris stepping in doesn't really change my voting plan. I'm still voting Democrat, I'm still voting Harris. Is Harris my favorite choice? No. Is the Democratic platform my perfect platform? No. But is it the best choice given the options? Absolutely. (And I don't say that as horribly negative thing, there are A LOT of positives from Harris/Democrats and I'm glad/excited to vote for her.)
  BUT we know Trump isn't a generic Republican and people can't ignore EVERYTHING he's done. Jan 6 being a big one. If you're a Republican voter now you're stuck. You can't vote for Trump. But you want to vote Republican.
  You're a generic Republican voter. You see Bush admins, Regan admins, Cheney all say they're voting for Harris. You voted for them previously. That gives you the opening to vote for Harris. That helps.
  
  You're contradicting yourself.
  You're voting for Harris because you'll vote for the Democratic candidate no matter what.
  Republicans are going to vote for Trump because he's on the Republican ticket, because they vote for the Republican no matter what.
  But consider that there are independents who suspect there's no difference between the two parties, and so they're thinking about staying home or voting third party. Moves like this only convince them that there's no reason to vote for Harris because all politicians are the same.
Even the bloodsucking ghouls prefer Harris, what a timeline
- That's not a good thing
  
  This is not the good timeline
- "See, the democrats will never fully move right."
  Zeno of Elea, New York Times contributor
- What am I to do instead? Vote for the evil?
  
  This is akin to somebody living in 1930s Germany asking whether they should continue supporting the nazi party since they're the only game in town.
  
  Watch a video on First Past the Post voting and demand your local and state representatives go on record their stance on electoral reform.
  Those who oppose democracy must be ran against. Primary/general election whatever.
  Probably to late to get electoral reform without a general strike at this stage, but we can start working on getting more people involved in the political process next election.
  Towards being free to vote for who best represents us, safe in the knowledge that our vote will still be counted against those we dont want in office.
  Democrats believe in democracy right? Let's find out together.
In a letter...former Reagan aides and appointees...said they believed that, if alive today, Reagan would have supported Harris.
Reagan was a fascist ghoul. Cheney is a fascist ghoul.
If you think the trump admin was worse than the reagan or bush admins I'm sorry but you lost me. The dems clearly have no place for anti-war leftists theyd rather court bloodthirsty right wing monsters.
- Their stratagy has always been scream about being the only game intown that is not farther right then them ... at some point that has to break down
People are imagining this like (if you'd forgive the analogy) Dragon Ball Z, where Vegeta is the big villain and we all need to rally around defeating him, but then an even bigger and more evil villain appears, Frieza, so now we team up with the still-evil Vegeta because he's more good than Frieza.
That's not what this is. This is Reaganites tipping their hand that they and the democrats are fundamentally on the same team, they are all part of the neoliberal establishment, and Trump, in his instability, is rocking the boat.
Blue conservatives.
Democrats are the new Republicans.
- I don't disagree, but what do we call the Republicans? thinking_face_emoji
  
  freaks
- I sure hope they don't go that way!
  
  They already are. Present day Democrats have George W Bush era Republican vibes. The Overton Window has shifted far to the right. That ratchet effect always has liberals shifting to the right.
The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.
We can see how this is bad right. This is just like proof that the Dems today are what RONALD REAGAN was? Like ... this is a thing we can all see, and by Harris not publicly donouncing these endorsements along with Cheney's there is a problem... like an obviousl problem? we all see this right?
- Dems in 1990 were what Reagan was.
  
  Thank you for making my point better for me.
I'm amazed that people are offended when someone they dislike chooses to vote against Trump. I understand the concerns about a "uni party", the military industrial complex, Israel, etc., but can we please agree that Trump needs to stay out of the White House?
Think of it as a Venn diagram. It's OK to agree that Trump is bad.
- These Republicans are not known for caring about Democracy.
  
  I'm sure that some (many?) Republican politicians do not seek democracy.
  
  And we don't care about them. But who gives a shit? They could dissuade centrist/Republicans from voting for Trump and literally tip the election in Harris' favor...
Cheney and bush and reagan's helpers and ... actually ALL of these scoundrels, curmudgeons and assholes - their endorsement of Mrs. Harris after the crimes they pulled and the mayhem they put in motion - fuck them and their endorsements. It's like having john wayne gacy supporting democrats - who wants or cares what that loathsome cretin chimes in about?
The owner class has finally figured out that having the Dynamite Monkey for president would be bad for business.
Someone has a tape of them talking shit out Cheeto dust. Now they fear for their lives. This will be the only time they support a black woman.
- This post is on lemmy.ml
  Unless you're posting radical left propaganda (actual radical, not what the Republicans say is radical) you'll be downvoted to hell and never get any actual conversation or discussion out of it. Trying to have an actual discussion here is a waste of time and effort that would be more effectively used elsewhere.
  
  Where is a better place to discuss? Certainly not Lemmy.world, which has a right-wing bias. I've been better able to have discussions on Lemmy.ml than Lemmy.world, personally.
  
  Solid point!

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