We should really get rid of the term "pro-life", because the people with those beliefs are not pro-life. They're pro-birth. They don't care what happens to the children or the mothers after the birth has happened.
It's weirder then that: The reason is: "It's god's plan that you became pregnant, and if you do not survive, that's god's plan too. We just need to trust the plan".
It's one of the reasons why I strongly believe religion is the source of all things evil.
@argv_minus_one@hedge both extremes have incorrect points, abortions should neither be encouraged nor be banned. they should be allowed as a medical procedure, not a form of birth control.
Abortion has never been a form of birth control. It has always been a fail-safe for when birth control fails (e.g. a condom breaks) or could not be used (e.g. because a woman was raped). Please do not repeat right-wing misinformation.
Maternal mortality rates in the US were already abysmal. And the difference between red and blue states is appalling.
Louisiana: 58.1 per 100k
California: 4 per 100k
What are the red states doing with all the federal tax money donated to them by the blue states? How could they remain this horrific when they receive so much aid? How can they look at their maternal mortality rates and unabashedly proclaim their states to be “pro life”?
(Stats from World Population Review)
Edit: and let us not forget that the #1 cause of death for pregnant women in the US is murder by their husband or boyfriend. That statistic is going to get worse now, too.
Idk if you ever read various subreddits or forums about relationships etc but it seems very common now for really nice guys to just out of the blue turn into a woman hating monster and their partners are shocked and appalled because it seems out of character for that person. Social media is really pushing that red pill stuff, and coupled with these types of legal changes, it creates a very dangerous environment for a lot of people to be in.
Imagine what would happen if instead of all these laws and punishments being aimed at women, someone proposed forcing men to accept some responsibility. Even just making them pay child support for 18 years, let alone personally caring for their children.
We all know women would be dying like flies if any of this “pro-life” legislation had any impact on men.
So it gets glossed over and pushed under the rug “it’s all the woman’s fault, she’s a slut.”
Until your mind cracks open upon seeing the bumper sticker that says: 100% of unwanted pregnancies are caused by men.
The cruelty is the point. They wantpeople women to suffer so they are easier to control.
It's absolutely using suffering to produce a coercive control effect. They want you to feel broken and lost and like no one is coming to help, because it means you're more likely to give up and follow their rules to survive... even when that doesn't guarantee your survival.
When are people going to stop being shocked by this?
This is authoritarianism and fascism and it's sad but unsurprising.
Specifically in this case, they want people they perceive as women (any human with a working uterus) to suffer so they are easier to control. I worry that your phrasing erases the sex-based violence part of this. Fascists are coming for most of us in one way or another, but this particular front is about controlling people they see as women. My husband (a cis dude) didn’t have to get parts of his body removed to have full citizenship rights; I did.
Forgive me, it was not my intent to diminish how this impacts people who have a uterus. This is absolutely about controlling women as well as what the definition of a woman is. I have edited the original comment slightly to acknowledge this.
Why would they care? They don't care for any one's life, they only care about punishing women and denying them their human right to agency.
Anti-choice work to deny women the human right to decide what happens to their own bodies which is dehumanising. When women are stripped of their right to agency, then men will have the power to control women's bodies. Men will get to decide what women do, what they wear, who they meet, where they go, when & how often they get pregnant. Much like what happens to domesticated animals and slaves.
Life without liberty is slavery, and turning women into slaves is the anti-choice goal. so why they care about maternal mortaity?
I came here to write this. "Pro-life" is a cynical bastard of a euphemism. All that these people are in support of is destroying the life (and potentially health) of pregnant women. If anything, that's anti-life.
Not even in a 'the cruelty IS the point' way, though obviously sex is bad and suffering must happen to women (in their world view).
They don't care because it's a numbers game. Some women will die. Some will be maimed to the point where they can no longer conceive.
Those women don't matter. Only the endless brood mares who are pumping out kids. Sure a few will suffer, and 'blah blah gods plan', but they aren't part of the equation. The mass of humans being pumped out who will fodder for the corporate grist mill, or failing that filling the ranks of military or prisons.
I don't think it's about corporatism. For a lot of them it's about religion. They want more babies for Jesus. From a more cynical point of view, the earlier a woman has children, the more damaging it is to her future economic and educational prospects. Poor uneducated people are more likely to be religious and conservative. It's a culture war.
I don't think it's about corporatism. For a lot of them it's about religion. They want more babies for Jesus. From a more cynical point of view, the earlier a woman has children, the more damaging it is to her future economic and educational prospects. Poor uneducated people are more likely to be religious and conservative. It's a culture war.
And as we enter the third wave of the Tea Party (MAGA chuds and now the Freedom Caucus), the cynical despots at the reins have been replaced by a LOT of true believers who are both dumb as a post and have drunk all of the Flavor Aid.
But there are still plenty of Phyllis Schlafly types in the party. Hardened opportunists with nothing more than a deep hunger for power, and no moral compass.
That's because to them, those women brought it upon themselves by having sex before they're ready to have kids, and they just don't understand the very real consequences of what they're asking for. They just parrot these talking points without thinking about what they really mean in the real world.